Talk:K. Michelle/archive

Birthdate/age, again

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user has requested archival as they have parted company / Wikipedia. DlohCierekim (talk) 22:57, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Now we have a source[1] that gives age 27 on August 14, 2013. However, people want a month, day and year. That's a shame. We do not have a source for month, day and year. What we have is an independent reliable source that says she was 27 on August 14, 2013. I have updated the article to reflect this. Yes, I'm sure that you were in school with her, know someone who was or one day helped her pick up her wallet and saw her driver's license and, as a result, you personally, absolutely, indisputably, know beyond all possible doubt what her birth date is. That's great. Throw a party for her. Play some music. Have a cake. Whatever. If you have an independent reliable source, we can talk about it here. - SummerPhDv2.0 19:45, 20 February 2019 (UTC) Umm I was the original one who uploaded the sourced materials....., and as for the month and day it's really not rocket science to go on all her social media accounts during March 4th to see her celebrating her birthday/acknowledging it or seeing her fans interact with her wishing her a "Happy Birthday". Extensive research is ONE of the many things I do for a living and I always try to provide verifiably material from many certifiable sources, this is not the first time her age has been talked about, she has stated many times her age along with other personal past information. Whether it be to help others, (example domestic violence) or educating young girls on how important education is while following your dreams as well. Information about Kimberly Pate has always been out and open to the public via herself, you just got to known where to find it. VerifiedFixes (talk) 12:46, 21 February 2019 (UTC) It's great that you researched it before adding it. If you "know where to find it", you will need to cite it and we'll be done. - SummerPhDv2.0 13:01, 21 February 2019 (UTC) What are you talking about? I did cite the information, added the age, and did a full infobox maintenance. You're the one who took over my edits and claimed them as yours and you also didn't use common sense to actually read sourced material to see that the interview was done 5 months after March which made her 27 during the interview which was stated. Your edits are invalid, and "we'll be done?" we never got started to begin with. This is my first time contributing the this talk page AFTER I saw you falsely claimed my work as your own. Thank God for page history, people on here "try" to get away with anything, lie and say somebody didn't cite the information before even checking the history first. VerifiedFixes (talk) 14:00, 21 February 2019 (UTC) And while you're checking that page history cite this [User:VerifiedFixes|VerifiedFixes] (talk) 14:16, 21 February 2019 (UTC) You are added/restored the claimed birthdate of March 4, 1986 citing the Ebony article.[2] The source[3] does not give the date March 4, 1986. The source, dated August 14, 2013, says she was 27, which my edits reflect.[4] This article is a WP:BLP. Her birthdate has clearly been disputed. You must cite reliable sources for contested material about a living person. Your cite did not support your claim. Per Wikipedia's policy, I removed the claim. I have now cited the tweet, as required. - SummerPhDv2.0 16:04, 21 February 2019 (UTC) This is a prime example of when people don't even know what they're talking about. I sourced Ebony Magazine to cross reference the age she would be today. I never stated that my reference had a birthday in it, that is the lie you created. The month and day was never in question (it was the year) and you didn't do anything but caused unnecessary drama. What actual material did you produce on your own? I provided the age via a timeframe from an interview, sourced the interview, and even PROVIDED YOU with the tweet referencing the "month and day" since you wanted to all of a sudden question that now, which was never in questioning to begin with. You didn't remove any claims, cite any material by yourself, all you did was ""rollback", cite drama, and take ownership over other people's hard work. VerifiedFixes (talk) 16:37, 21 February 2019 (UTC) The source did not give the birthdate cited. It did not give the month and day which you left in place. It did not give the year that you changed it to. I removed both, per WP:BLP. You restored both with the same cite. "The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material. - SummerPhDv2.0 17:09, 21 February 2019 (UTC) Can you read should be the real question? Again show me where "I" wrote that the Ebony Magazine reference had listed her birthday? You'll never find it because I never said it! Once again it was a cross reference of her age during the time of the interview which was stated by HER. If you can't do simple math like the rest of us by subtracting 27 from 2013, while keeping note that the interview was done 5 months after March, then I don't know if you should have PHD anywhere near your username or government! Yes let's talk about demonstration REALLY, you demonstrate lies and deception. I restored MY edits, that you had nothing to do with, which you so kindly decided to micro manage by adding your two cents (which made the infobox look very unprofessional). You're still avoiding talking about why you have vandalism strikes against your account and why you have a recorded history of having a bad habit of not getting along with other users? You shouldn't be questioning what's verifiable by me because I have nothing to gain by applying false information and have no history on here of doing such but you on the other hand is questionable because your history tells a lot. VerifiedFixes (talk) 18:18, 21 February 2019 (UTC) You restored the full date with a source that did not provide that date. You knew the date was contested. By restoring the material you take full responsibility for it, per WP:V. Whether or not you or anyone else has anything to "gain" from true or false information does not appear to apply here, unless you are claiming I have a conflict of interest here. Your repeated personal attacks have no relevance here. Though personal attacks are not acceptable anywhere on Wikipedia, you may certainly civilly discuss the issues on my talk page. Should you feel that is insufficient, please raise the issues on a relevant forum. Given the accusations, I would suggest Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. Other than that, I see nothing further to discuss here. - SummerPhDv2.0 02:04, 22 February 2019 (UTC) I love that she picked "27" as her age when she was 31. So prosaic. I moved the new refs and asserted birthday to the article body, to help flesh out the paragraph about her birthday contradictions. The new refs do not erase the one really good ref which is the yearbook. It's independent of Michelle, with no interest in changing the birthdate for professional reasons. Binksternet (talk) 16:45, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Two articles, same person: K.Michelle, K. Michelle

There are two articles about this person, one titled K.Michelle, the other K. Michelle (note the space between period and M). These two articles need to be merged. I have tagged them for merging, but I was not specific, because I am not sure which is the "destination" article. Which is correct, with or without a space? --Logical Fuzz (talk) 20:58, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

I have since tagged this for a historical merge. The appropriate article title is here, and both pages have existed for quite some time (several years), but the K.Michelle page has a more extensive edit history. Hopefully an administrator will see the flag soon to assist. coccyx bloccyx_(toccyx) 22:29, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 8 August 2012

k michelle was born in 1986. 2.223.186.113 (talk) 01:44, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. RudolfRed (talk) 02:49, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Problem with sources

Jupeterson has used the following sources. I invite comments here on whether they're reliable for WP:BLP information:

1. http://starcasm.net/archives/166086 — I get a 404 page not found error from this one.
2. http://rattlernation.blogspot.com/2012/07/famu-alumna-opens-vh1s-love-hip-hop.html — This is a blogspot blog and therefore doesn't seem like a reliable source for anything.
3. http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.17146/title.rca-records-closes-jive-arista-and-j-records — Another blog, also doesn't seem reliable.
4. http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2012/08/28/monday-cable-ratings-love-and-hip-hop-atlanta-wins-night-monday-night-raw-pawn-stars-single-ladies-american-pickers-more/146434/ — another blog.

I don't see how these qualify for use on a BLP.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 03:53, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

• Hiphopdx at least seems to be a news site with a blog-like format; it seems to show editorial oversight and I have no reason to doubt its reliability. The blogspot blog, definitely not, and the TV by the Numbers link, probably not either. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 02:53, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
• 2 and 4 definitely not. Given what I've seen from this editor thus far, every source needs to be examined closely. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 03:18, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
• K. Michelle (Kimberly Michelle Pate) and I went to the SAME university. I was an 18 year old Freshman at the time and she was a 21 year old senior. That means she's 3 years older than me. There is no way she was born in 1986 when I was born in 1985 and I was 18 when she was 21. She was Miss FAMU, a title for seniors and up, in 2003. According to the FAMUan school newspaper, she was Freshman Attendant at age 19 in 2001. That coincides with her being born in 1982, not 1986. This is the only online source I have proving what I stated. I'm sure if you call Florida A&M University ((850) 599-3000)) they can verify: http://www.lipstickalley.com/f262/k-michelle-won-miss-famu-2003-freshman-attendant-2000-pics-included-425311/.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Marvinrashad (talk • contribs) 04:37, 30 August 2012‎

• You can't use word of mouth as a source though. It has to be a website, newspaper, journal, magazine, some sort of published work. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 05:40, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

• I tend to agree with Seb; source 2 is innapropriate especially for a BLP. Source 4 is questionable, as it is usually used to corroborate television shows' statistics - I would leave it out of a BLP though. -- MST☆R ^{(Chat Me!)} 06:30, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
  • I found something that I think will help. Page 35 of the 2000-2001 Viper (our university yearbook) lists K. Michelle as the 18-year-old Freshman Attendant. This can be verified by this link, which is the Viper; it is archived at the University of Florida library. I have placed it in this article as source #1. http://ufdc.ufl.edu/AM00000319/00013/30j.
  • Source #2 is the website of the official newspaper of Florida A&M University, called The Famuan. It lists K. Michelle's age as a 20-year-old junior. However, having written from The Famuan from 2000-2003, I know for a fact that the interview was conducted a few days before her 21st birthday, and published shortly after. (Feature pieces are usually written a couple of weeks in advance.) LoomisSimmons (talk) 09:26, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

[PICTURE FOR K MICHELLES WIKI]

CAN WE PLEASE HAVE A PICTURE ON THIS PAGE— Preceding unsigned comment added by Shaunusz (talk • contribs) 14:26, 15 September 2012‎

The picture has to be free and available with a CC-By-SA license. For copyright reasons, Wikipedia can't lift a picture from a source unless it has been released for free use. For instance, some images on Flikr have a copyright-release attached. I see that it appears you have been trying to add an image from Commons to the article. The next time you're working on an article, try using the Preview Button before you hit Save so you can check your edits before they go live/are published. Shearonink (talk) 16:37, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Age dispute

Is there any objection to just taking out the year of birth until further notice? LoomisSimmons (talk) 22:32, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Nope, and that is the proper thing to do until the discussion is finished. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 02:30, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

This wiki is janky! This is the reason people do not trust Wikipedia!!!! The article does not even state the date of birth of K. Michelle!!!!!! OMG!!! Really?!!??!!??!!?? I believe this article should be deleted! Sorry! :.( — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiderman51601 (talk • contribs) 21:42, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

There definitely seems to be a problem with the birth-year, although many sources (albeit none reliable that I found) do agree on March 4th as the birthday.

• thekmichelle website has some biographical info,[5] (identical to vh1 bio[6]) which confirms that she was born in Memphis (TN), and began vocal lessons under Bob Westbrook at age 9 (year not specified... but if somebody has a quote from Westbrook confirming that he was her instructor and giving the year he began teaching her that would help further solidify the mess below). Also, her about-page mentions she "earned a scholarship to Florida A&M [tallahassee] for yodeling" which is not suitable for inclusion in the article without an independent reliable source since to confirm that the university awarded her the scholarship (or some other entity), but does lend some credence to the UFL source mentioned below.

• born in ~1982, by WP:CALC from age 18 in fall of 2000.[7] Alleged eyewitnesses at the college have commented above; we cannot use their eyewitness accounts, but it does lend more credence to this date, as opposed to 1984/1986/1978 dates alleged elsewhere with only anonymous bloggers to back them up. Jives with the usual matriculation age, as well. Of course, this date was also blogged about elsewhere.[8][9][10] Besides our local eyewitness, we also have this: "I believe she has stated that she is 31 or 32." --posted 08-19-2012, by BizaNista (credentials: 2530 posts). With that many posts, how can you still doubt?

• Date of Birth March 4, 1986.[11] If true, she enrolled in FAMU at age 14, skipping four grades of K-12 (and the yearbook above had a typo). This date is being persistently inserted into the article, without any source except for the assertion by 2.223.186.113 back in August 2012 that I can see. and in fact has a not-terrible WP:RS from this teevee-news-URL,[12] which is backed up (and specified as March 4th) by this blog.[13]
• DOB: 3/4/1984.[14] If true, she enrolled in FAMU at age 16, skipping two grades of K-12 (and the yearbook above had a typo).
• born on Mar 04 1978 (zodiac sign: Pisces) in Memphis.[15] If true, she enrolled in FAMU at age 22, probably working at a job before attending college, or conceivably taking seventeen years to graduate from K-12 (and the yearbook above had a typo).

I'm going to change the DOB in the article to say "~1982" with the UFL.edu link as the source, and a hidden comment to see this talkpage-section. Folks that are regulars on this article, please keep ~1982 as the DOB, until we get a reliable source stating her birthday, and a reliable source confirming her birthyear (which is probably 1982... but only if we assume march fourth is her birthday). Or hey, if I'm wrong, then please WP:BOLD and fix it up, but cite your source -- because the birthday of this BLP is most definitely in dispute, and for a celebrity, age is important, fortunately or unfortunately. Be careful with BLP stuff, pretty please. See you around, and thanks for improving wikipedia. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 20:36, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Update, was given a diff (gratitude to User:David_in_DC for the help) which *does* have a not-half-bad source. Which means, the article now has a teevee-news-zine-source (backed up by a couple blogs), which conflicts with a college-newspaper-or-maybe-yearbook-source (backed up by insistent wikipedia-editors and some blogs). I'm going to adjust the article again, here, and specify 1980s as the birthdate. Both 1986 and 1982 are conceivable birthyears... and apparently, *somebody* at least sort of official was reporting K.Michelle as being age 27, as of March 2013, which would make here age 14-years-and-six-months when she first attended FAMU. Based on WP:DEADLINE, sooner or later the correct birthyear and correct birthday will be put into the article. HTH. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 04:56, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Have since reconsidered, and will use "~1982[x] or 1986[y]" in the article. Per this compromise[16] over at the article on Mariah Carey, this seems like a workable long-term approach, until we can get more conclusive sources that decide the question. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 05:30, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

I support 74's inclusion of both birth dates. Commonly on Wikipedia, and as witnessed by the Mariah Carey case, such an approach is adopted when there is a conflict with regard to the age of the person among WP:Reliable sources. Flyer22 (talk) 06:09, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Solution seems sensible to me. Shearonink (talk) 14:55, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

There is no age dispute. There are simply obsessed fans and shoddy PR people out there trying to make her younger than she is. Even when die-hard, indisputable receipts WERE provided, they weren't good enough. K. Michelle's fans can change Wikipedia as many times as they want to, but it won't stop her from being 32. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CC7E:9170:AC18:9FE6:48FD:1DE5 (talk) 03:30, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Continuing age dispute

Regarding the above arguments, my observation is that the only unbiased source is the Rattler yearbook which says that she was 18 in Fall 2000 as the freshman representative to the Homecoming Court of FAMU. All subsequent sources are suspect, most being attempts by K. Michelle to appear younger, or the 1978 nonsense from an unreliable astrology website. If she was 18 in late 2000 then her birth year was 1982. That settles it for me. Binksternet (talk) 18:35, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

1982 is the correct birth year with these sources.2600:1702:AB0:D890:A0A5:5F1A:6A96:E8D (talk) 06:52, 23 October 2018 (UTC).

I don't see anything to indicate either one is a reliable source for a WP:BLP question that has been disputed. - SummerPhD^v2.0 20:43, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

References

general BLP info in Commercial Appeal newspaper article

First, there is a ton of unsourced detail over here,[17] if somebody wants to do the legwork to confirm or deny the factoids therein.

Second, I've pulled the "good parts" from a decently-reliably-sourced newspaper article here.[18] Lessons learned, more songs to sing for K. Michelle -- By Mark Jordan -- Posted August 15, 2013. Scripps Interactive Newspapers Group -- 2013 The E.W. Scripps Co. © 2013 Memphis Commercial Appeal. ((Jordan is not on the staff, so presumably freelance, but the story was prolly edited & fact-checked.))[19]

...the Atlantic Records recording artist K. Michelle. ...[nee] Karen Michelle Pate, grew up in Whitehaven [town in TN? or region of Memphis?], ...As a child, Pate studied with renowned Germantown [TN?] vocal coach Bob Westbrook ...developed an affinity for a surprisingly broad range of styles (opera/country/etc), many of which still inform her music to this day ...she earned a scholarship to Florida A&M University for her yodeling abilities. She graduated with a degree in psychology... ...Soon after she graduated, Memphis-born Jive Records A&R head Mickey “Memphitz” Wright discovered Pate, and in 2008 he signed her to the label. Pate released two swaggering, carefree singles for Jive, “Self Made” and “Fakin’ It,” featuring a guest appearance by Missy Elliot. ...the next year [2012]... she was tapped to join the cast of VH1’s reality series “Love & Hip Hop” Atlanta-spinoff ...raised her profile and gave her an outlet for her music. ...recently completed her second and final season on the show, performing her single “V.S.O.P.” on the reunion show.

...the long-awaited release [this week] of her debut album, Rebellious Soul. ... Rebellious Soul productions like... “Mother’s Prayer,” written for her 8-year-old son Chase. ...she will promote [the album] in her hometown with a free concert Friday at Minglewood Hall, [where] Memphis Mayor A C Wharton is slated to present her with the city’s Ambassador Award. ... As part of her slate of hometown appearances, Pate will also speak at a local women’s shelter Friday as part of her “Rebel Against” campaign with the nonprofit Saving Our Daughters. ... the album has already gotten positive reviews from The New York Times and Vibe magazine, among others, praising her no-gloss viewpoint and mature voice. “Rebellious Soul paints the portrait of 2013’s multidimensional gal,” writes Vibe’s Stacy-Ann Ellis. “She can be sensitive, lusty, compassionate, short-tempered, worrisome, confident, ratchet and at any given time, may try to hide a part of herself from view.” ...With a 10-city Rebellious Soul tour, and her own VH1 reality show now in the works

Can somebody please incorporate these facts (now sourced) into the article? Thanks. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 20:36, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Tamar Braxton as musical influence

66.229.227.28, or anybody else, know whether this[20] is true? Thanks 74.192.84.101 (talk) 05:53, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Rattler reference

Binksternet: Re this edit: I do not see this "exact info". The source says Kimberly Michelle Pate "hails from" Memphis, Tennessee. The source does not say Kimberly Michelle Pate = "K. Michelle". It does not give a birth year. It does not give an exact date. It does not say she was born in Memphis. - SummerPhD^v2.0 01:07, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Are you saying that K. Michelle did not attend FAMU and was not named as the Freshman Attendant to the college's Homecoming Court? That she was not named Miss FAMU in her senior year? For this topic, that's a sky-is-blue fact. But lots of online evidence is available to support that. Starcasm. Lipstick Alley. Kollege Kidd. Rolling Out. Gossip We Love. Funky Dineva. Rattler Nation. Urban Belle Magazine. Jet Magazine. Binksternet (talk) 02:40, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Even by combining all of those sources to state something new, where did the birth date and location come from? What I'm saying is this: rather than citing one source for various things it simply does not say, how about citing sources that actually state here birth date, birth name, place of birth, etc.? - SummerPhD^v2.0 04:57, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

That's reasonable. Binksternet (talk) 02:50, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

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Missing the birthday

Hi there. This biography is missing the K. Michelle's birthday, so that people become aware of its age. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dorivaldo de C. M. dos Santos (talk • contribs) 00:45, 15 September 2017 (UTC)