Talk:KAMAZ-7850

Requested move 20 May 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Withdrawn. User:Druschba 4 has shown that there is a verifiable justification to the inconsistent capitalization. 162 etc. (talk) 16:24, 20 May 2021 (UTC) 162 etc. (talk) 16:24, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

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• KAMAZ-7850 → Kamaz-7850
• KamAZ "Shuttle" → Kamaz Shuttle
• KamAZ-4310 → Kamaz-4310
• KamAZ-4326 → Kamaz-4326
• KamAZ-4350 → Kamaz-4350
• KamAZ-43114 → Kamaz-43114
• KamAZ-6282 → Kamaz-6282

– The main article and category use Kamaz, with only the capital K. Various sources for these vehicles use Kamaz, KamAZ, or KAMAZ, with no discernable common name, so best to be consistent. 162 etc. (talk) 00:47, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

I disagree, moving it to the Kamaz- is not a good idea.

KamAZ was the official name during soviet times, what is basically the abbreviation for Kamski Avtomobilny Zavod. It was standardized along with all other abbreviations in the Automobile model numbering system in the Soviet Union and Russia, which was based on government standards such as GOST ОН 025270-66. For this reason, this spelling has become widespread and is still widely used today.

The spelling KAMAZ with only capital letters emerged clearly after the collapse of the Soviet Union, when the manufacturers were free to decide on the names of the vehicles. Today it is used by the manufacturer himself, see their website and so on.

The spelling Kamaz with lower case letters is neither intended by the manufacturer nor is it used in the good quality Russian literature I know. That seems to me to be the worst option.

It would be technically and historically correct to use the Soviet spelling for the historical vehicle models and the capital letters for the current models. Unfortunately, it is not really known when the manufacturer made this change and which models are actually affected. This turns out to become difficult. Due to the high level of familiarity of the historical names and the uniformity of the Soviet standardization, I usually prefer the spelling according to GOST (KamAZ). A note that the manufacturer himself uses a different spelling is appropriate for the new models. This is what ru.WP does, too (accept for 2 or 3 very new models).

The better way by far would be to move the main article and the category instead. Cheers, --Druschba 4 (talk) 14:09, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for a detailed explanation. Are there any English-language sources that we can use to verify this? 162 etc. (talk) 14:32, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Due to I'm a german editor I do have mostly german and a lot of russian literature like manuals, repair instructions by the maufacturer and so on. But one of the more recent and better in quality english books about that topic would be Andy Thompson: Trucks of the Soviet Union. Behemonth, 2017, ISBN 978-0-9928769-5-1. (That is at least one that I own and I can judge about the quality.) Thompson uses the soviet spelling KamAZ- for the older models and KAMAZ- for the more recent ones. --Druschba 4 (talk) 14:42, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

In addition, there is a good quality CIA research paper about the history of the plant from the mid-80s, that uses only the the soviet abbreviation, as it was used that time. I do not know whether that would be a suitable "source", I am not familiar enough with that topic at en.WP. But it is pretty accurate for the time and one of the better english sources I've seen so far. --Druschba 4 (talk) 14:55, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.