Talk:KARE (TV)/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Premeditated Chaos (talk · contribs) 06:06, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Signing on. Might take a bit longer than the usual week given my schedule, but you know the drill, ping me. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 06:06, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

• Not sure all 3 kids shows need to be named in the lead, especially since only one has an article
  • fair point
• "much-ballyhooed" 10 points for using a fun underused word
  • Oh goodness, does it fit this station. They hyped up that newscast way, way, way too much.
• "continued to stick with" I think you could simplify to "stuck with" or "remained with"
  • Done

Early years

• Not sure what skin and/or screen size you're using, but image sandwiching in this section on Vector 2010 is bad :( Not only are two images sandwiched, the left one breaks the next section header
  • Image positioning in the early part of an article with one of our infoboxes is a crapshoot. I need images fairly high up the article, but they can't exactly go where they really should because a big infobox is in the way. Ended up just setting the Foshay image to right-aligned to avoid sandwiching.
• "Meredith owned three stations and had three pending station applications when the FCC ruled that companies could only have as many applications as ownable stations—five—in February 1953;" - To be clear, this means if a company already had 4 stations, they could have only 1 application, and so on? If so, it might need a bit of rewording to make more clear.
  • Reworded.
• "The transmitter and antenna was the only physical plant" is "plant" the right word here? It makes me think of a production facility for physical objects, rather than for TV
  • Reworded.
• "a prop was a "time converter"" Feels like overdetail on the station's article, would be relevant on the show's article
  • Removed.
• "For kids, WTCN-TV had the clown" does this sentence really need two semi-colons? Could it be split somewhere instead?
  • One of those should have been a period and is now.
• Side note - if Wedes left in 58 but the show aired till 81, did someone else take over or was it just old-ass reruns for the next 23 years
  • It aired until 1981... in Seattle. (someday, KIRO-TV.) There, he was a kids TV icon of proportions significant enough to earn a lead section mention. Patches doesn't get an article for just his time in the Twin Cities, oh no.
    • Ooh, my bad, I misread

Independent years

• Odd to have "The independent years" here where "Early years" has no the
  • Changed the latter. Items to here: Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:17, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
• Subsection 1: the last sentence of the second paragraph and the first sentence of para 3 both include "losing ABC", which reads slightly repetitively, but like, minor gripe at worst
• "The station added studio wrestling and college sports to its lineup." This sentence feels incomplete/tacked-on. In a paragraph about broadcasting Twins games, suddenly we end with other sports. I think it might be worth expanding with just a little more context. ie the made-up examples "The station added studio wrestling and college sports to its lineup after 1962" or "With the success of sports broadcasting, the station added studio wrestling and college sports to its lineup"
• This is the nitpick of all time, but I'm pretty sure "Twin Cities–based" should have a hyphen, not an en dash.
  • MOS:SUFFIXDASH
• That box quote is so rude and so funny
• Link/explain VHF on first appearance
• Last paragraph under Metromedia ownership feels like it's squeezing ref 73 a little too hard. I don't think I see a mention of WTCN viewership numbers in the article - 74 has them, but it's not 100% clear that it's meant to reference the whole paragraph. Repeating it earlier might help.
  • Yeah, that's what it needed.

Affiliating with NBC

• "recently relaxed rules" about what
  • Clarified, though I feel like extra detail would belong with the KSTP article
• You concluded the last section by saying "WTCN had the only TV news staff in the market without a professional meteorologist", which sounds like they didn't have any meteorologist at all. Then in this section you describe the dismissal of Teri Hughes, who you identify as a meteorologist, which is confusing. For clarity, you might want to adjust the previous section to say they only had an untrained freelancer serving as meteorologist.
  • Redone.
• I might split this section into "preparation for NBC" and "under NBC" (or some such thing), it's a bit of a big section and others of similar size are also split
• John Carman did not fuck around. I want to know what was so bad about the theme music.
  • It was this disco number that went with the "We've Got It Now" campaign they had custom-done for the switch by a New York composer.
    • Incredible. 10/10. Disco.
• I love the measles quote, but it needs in-text attribution.
• It might be worth briefly mentioning why the reporter was fired
• The contrast between all this doom and gloom and then herpes being a bright spot is absolutely sending me
  • All done. And yeah, that's WTCN for you.

Gannett purchase

• "Gannett filled the meteorologist position, left unfilled on a permanent basis since Burns's departure" You need to mention Burns as meteorologist earlier, currently it comes out of nowhere that he was doing that
• Footnote B: " was demoted back to weekends with the hiring of Magers and Pierce, then left for WLS-TV in Chicago." Main text doesn't actually specify what month Magers and Pierce were hired, and the footnote should also say when Mihalik left for Chicago
  • Fixed
• " After Gannett won that fight, Gannett" - maybe "the company" vs repeating Gannett again
  • fixed
• " style of its newscasts: stylish, somewhat fluffy and syrupy" - style/stylish repetition. Also, "fluffy and syrupy" feels very subjective. These terms should be attributed as quotes, or else reworked to be more neutrally encyclopedic. (Alternately, you could remove them and just with "designed to draw an emotional response", maybe add something like "rather than communicate facts")
• "The latter was evident in its photojournalism style" I'm not entirely clear on what you're saying here
  • Reworded
• "In addition" I think you can rm this, as the debut of CC is not related to the previous sentence
  • Done. Items to here: Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 00:25, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
• Having read the article about Rios Brook, it sounds like her departure was related to several issues, not just her being a weirdo evangelical. Sounds like her judgement on personnel issues and programming was also questionable.

Post-2000

• "hired to replace Magers on the anchor desk until he left in 2005" I know what you mean here, but it can read somewhat ambiguously. Might be somewhat clearer if Vascellaro's departure was just relegated to the next sentence, since that's when it's relevant anyway
• Link/explain UHF on first mention

That's all I got. Sources largely checked out, with the couple of concerns I noted above that should be easy to resolve. Images good, no other issues. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 01:19, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

@Premeditated Chaos Done! Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 19:15, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

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