Talk:KXGN-TV

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I removed the comment that said KXGN is the only station to air from NBC and CBS. The reference is to a site which charges you to look at it's data. So it is not valid for Wikipedia.4.142.126.215 (talk) 01:39, 20 December 2007 (UTC)eric

Added a schedule (ala NBC or CBS), since KXGN is a unique station and a one-of-a-kind. Add syndicated programming as KXGN airs a good bit of it, mostly weekends. - SVRTVDude 13:49, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Given that this is an encyclopedia and not TV Guide, the point of reproducing their entire schedule is what, exactly? --Calton | Talk 05:17, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Just trying to show that KXGN is a dual-affiliated station that airs NBC programming, but actually show what NBC programming they air. Having to add all these references is just annoying. - SVRTVDude 05:21, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

WWNY-TV used to have multiple affiliations, but primarily ran as a CBS affiliate while picking up Today Show and Johnny Carson from NBC. They also had the secondary affiliation overlapping a local repeater from some other network, in their case ABC WUTR-TV Utica on 50. Once the competing station becomes anything more than a repeater (in WWNY's case, that would be WWTI-TV or its predecessors) then that normally does spell the end of that secondary network affiliation. Still, it's odd that this much NBC content is on KXGN if it has other networks from which to draw programming that don't overlap the 13 repeater. --66.102.80.212 (talk) 05:25, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Radio-Info Attribution Removed

I removed the following attribution to Radio-Info: http://www.radio-info.com/smf/index.php/topic,42794.0.html. While it is an interesting and informative site frequented by many industry professionals (and other non-professionals, such as myself), it is an opinion bulletin board and does not meet the criteria for a reliable source. dhett ^{(talk • contribs)} 03:45, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

The reason for that was I was trying to show that KXGN is the only dual Big 3 Network station left. I wanted to use 100000watts.com, but couldn't. That was the next best thing. Rock on....SVRTVDude ^{(Yell - Toil)} 04:17, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

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School janitor news anchor?

I'm not from Glendive so I can't confirm and don't want to edit in misinformation but is it true that the TV news anchor is also the elementary school janitor? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.162.42.75 (talk) 13:57, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

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Reviewer: LunaEatsTuna (talk · contribs) 20:58, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Sorry for the long wait! I have (finally) left some comments below. I loved reading about this smol fighter of a station! Thanks for writing it, 𓃦LunaEatsTuna (💬) 00:20, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

• • @LunaEatsTuna: Resolved all of the issues. Your spot check problem was because of a missing clipping link to the second clipped page of a newspaper article. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 04:46, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
    • Nice work on the changes! I am now pleased to pass this article for GA status. As always, congrats! 𓃦LunaEatsTuna (💬) 06:11, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Copyvio check

Earwig says good to go. Quotations used in-line with WP:COPYQUOTE—attributed and usually very short extracts.

Files

All images are relevant, of high quality, and copyright-free:

• File:KXGN TV 5 Logo.png: good, valid non-free use rationale;
• File:Kxgn glendive studio.jpg: good, CC BY-SA 4.0, uploaded to Commons by registered user.

Prose

• "who had moved from Havre to Glendive in 1945" – wikilink Glendive as first mention in the body. Also;
• Wikilink the first mentions of CBS, ABC and NBC in the body.
• "he started KXGN radio" – I would wikilink to KXGN (AM).
• Probably my stupidity, but was the Rose Theater located in Havre or Glendive?
  • picture house in Glendive
• "In a 1959 United States Senate hearing in Helena centering on" – recommend changing to "In a 1959 United States Senate hearing in Helena that centered on" because the whole sentence is rather lengthy; not sure how to explain this, but IMO it just flows much better.
• "in the Mountain West out of business" – wikilink Mountain West.
• The sentence starting "The FCC had a rule" is quite long at 83 words, especially with several appositives. Could it be shortened or split into multiple sentences instead?
• "Marks added KDZN in 1995" – wikilink KDZN.
• "approved of the purchase of the FM because" – will readers unfamiliar with the topic be able to understand that KDZN is an FM radio?
• The sentence at the start of Digital television transition is a bit jagged IMO.
• "its costly upgrade to digital television" – could digital television be wikilinked to anywhere?
• "KXGN added a dedicated NBC subchannel" – subchannel?
  • Digital subchannel, a terrible, terrible article.
    • That is indeed very sad.
• "an idea Sturlaugson had floated prior" – is "floated" correct here? I have never heard of the expression before. Please ignore this concern if it is an American English standard that I am unaware of.
  • yeah, that's an idiom. I changed it.
• "one hour ahead of their usual Mountain Time Zone airings" – wikilink Mountain Time Zone and unlink its mention in the NBC section.
• "of the Montana Television Network, airing" – change to "of the Montana Television Network (MTN), airing" as the acronym is mentioned later in the sentence.
• "was often a one-man operation" – recommend "was often a one-person operation" or similar for gender neutrality.
• I just noticed that Stephen Marks is mentioned in the history section (and strangely not wikilinked) but his Marks Radio Group is never mentioned by name.
• The second paragraph in Moore ownership and the first paragraph in Sale to Marks are both fairly long. For instance, I reckon the latter paragraph could be split at "The sale took longer than Moore had expected." to improve readability.

Refs

Passes spotchecking. I decided to spotcheck all sources used multiple times and some at random. No concerns with refs 2, 3, 5, 7, 15, 21 and 26. But:

• I could not seem to verify a statement for ref 8, which is that CBS programming was "from 6 to 9 p.m.,".
  • That's because there's a missing linked clipping on the second page: [1] You will find the fact there.
    • I see!

Also:

• Minor inconsistency—some of the news sources have wikilinked names whilst others do not. Either way is fine, but I would prefer this be consistent.
  • Changed to wikilink all sources with articles on their first use and not again.
• Can anymore info be added to the citation template for ref 3?
  • This is an oddball. The link is generated by template, {{FCC letter}}. The links might soon be pulled if the FCC decides to pull down an old database (they migrated all these PDFs to their new LMS database last year though the old links still exist separately). In more recent history card cites, I've been using what I changed this to: {{cite web}} (with the added benefit of allowing IABot to run). At some point, the documentation of Template:FCC letter/doc, which contains a guide to reading history cards, probably needs to be linked from these types of citations and moved out of template documentation to some sort of project space page. I have no issue, and history cards are foundational records when one tries to figure out the history of any US broadcasting station that was around in 1980, but these are VERY tough references for non-topic editors to parse.
    • Thanks for the explanation.
• For ref 27, is there a better name available for said website?
  • Fixed.

Other

Short description, external links, infobox, navs, cats and other templates all good.

• Recommend adding template:Use X English.

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Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Bruxton (talk) 00:55, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

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Studios of KXGN-TV in Glendive, Montana

• ... that the Los Angeles Times, Chicago Tribune, and Sports Illustrated have all profiled the smallest TV station in the United States (pictured)? Source: Links to the profiles: LAT, CT, SI
  • ALT1: ... that one person represented the entire news department at the smallest TV station in the United States? Source: [2] and [3]
  • ALT2: ... that the only locally produced program on the smallest TV station in the United States is a public affairs show titled Let's Talk About It? Source: https://publicfiles.fcc.gov/api/manager/download/44b4a076-cf78-18cf-9408-b138db2ffc67/b9ac79df-9352-4d3a-b3f1-a85fa8d2bb2f.pdf
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Will Ainsworth

Improved to Good Article status by Sammi Brie (talk). Self-nominated at 07:02, 17 January 2023 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Epicgenius (talk) 15:10, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

• @Epicgenius and Sammi Brie: a detail, the sources appear to say the smallest television market, but the hooks refer to the smallest tv station. Bruxton (talk) 19:23, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
  • Bruxton It pretty much is. The wording is also supported by [4] Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 19:46, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

@Sammi Brie: Unless I am missing something even in that one I read: "world's smallest Nielsen Television market". Bruxton (talk) 19:52, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

@Bruxton: First column, three or four paragraphs down: "the nation's smallest Nielsen-rated television station" Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 20:07, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

We have had discussions about smallest, largest, first etc. To me it looks like the majority of the RS states that because of the viewers it is the smallest TV market. I may have to get another opinion on the claim if you want to stick with it. That article even details the market in the image caption and a box/blurb. If I was to promote it as is it is likely to get talk page dissected. Bruxton (talk) 20:18, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

@Valereee: would you render an opinion on the hook claim before promotion. Bruxton (talk) 00:11, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

I think it could go in the quirky with a 'smallest station' hook. Valereee (talk) 00:36, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

@Bruxton and Sammi Brie: I forgot all about this. My interpretation was that the station in this context was synonymous with the market. Epicgenius (talk) 00:48, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

I see Epicgenius I was thinking literal building size. All the articles I read talked about the smallest viewership/audience. But if you and Valeree think it is ok we will go with it. Bruxton (talk) 01:01, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Oh... I now see why you were confused. I was going to suggest rephrasing the caption, but perhaps the problem is with the text (pictured), so maybe something like this?

• ... that the Los Angeles Times, Chicago Tribune, and Sports Illustrated have all profiled the smallest TV station in the United States (studios pictured)? Epicgenius (talk) 01:12, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

• Yeah, that's fine by me. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 02:24, 18 January 2023 (UTC)