Talk:KYOU-TV

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"KYOU" is not redirecting here. Instead, that redirects to the article on "Kyo Sohma"." 24.32.122.214 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 03:53, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Still a Raycom station, not Barrington

I think KYOU-TV is actually still operated by Raycom Media, even though the company sold KTVO years ago. KYOU is not on Barrington Broadcasting's station list, which includes stations Barrington operates but does not own, such as WWMB and WTVH. Also, the domain name is owned by Raycom Media; that probably wouldn't happen if it didn't run the station. (I must also note that Barrington Broadcasting has followed the lead of Nexstar and gone to generically-named websites covering all of its stations in a market — yet KYOU still has its own website.) While Raycom's station map makes no mention of KYOU, the same can be said for Southeastern Media Holdings stations and KFVE, which are definitely Raycom-operated. There's also this: Southeastern Media Holdings is now owned by American Spirit Media — the on-paper owner of KYOU. It's pretty clear based on all that that Raycom still operates KYOU, and that when Barrington bought KTVO, its involvement with KYOU more-or-less ended. Sadly, sources are hard to come by in this matter… (By the way, Raycom never owned KYOU's license; that has been owned by American Spirit Media (formerly Ottumwa Media Holdings) since 2003, and Waitt Broadcasting before that.) --WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 23:07, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure about the Raycom, but yeah I'm beginning to strongly doubt Barrington ownership, unless (as I thought it was) American Spirit is a "shell" company/spinoff of some kind. The whole thing is a frustrating clusterf#@* IMHO.(lol) I have repeatedly e-mailed KYOU asking for clarification on ownership, dates of ownership changes, and general station history but met with silence or "we're working on that and hope to get back to you soon". I'll leave it the way you changed until some definitive word can be established. Happy Wikiing!Sector001 (talk) 01:16, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

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Reviewer: Adog (talk · contribs) 02:06, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

I will come back around and do another short article review. I will likely fully review either by Thursday, August 17 or Friday, August 18. Stay tuned! Adog (Talk・Cont) 02:06, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

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Hi Sammi Brie! Once again, here we go:

Prose

Lead

• The station is owned by Gray Television and maintains studios on West 2nd Street in Downtown Ottumwa; its transmitter is located one mile (1.6 km) east of Richland, Iowa. may read better as Gray Television owns the station and maintains studios on West 2nd Street in Downtown Ottumwa; its transmitter is located one mile (1.6 km) east of Richland, Iowa. Up to you.
• Raycom acquired KYOU outright concurrent with its merger with Gray Television in 2019. I feel like there is a needed comma pause between "outright" and "concurrent".

History

Early history

• "Public Interest" is shortened here, but used in its long form elsewhere in the passage. Should it be the full form for consistency?

LMA with Raycom Media

• ... to legally permit a duopoly. I feel like the word "legally" would work better at the end of this phrase rather than splitting "to permit".
• KYOU-TV discontinued regular programming on its analog signal, over UHF channel 15, on June 12, 2009, the official date on which full-power television stations in the United States ... "of which" may be omitted here.

Sale to Gray Television

• The sale to Gray was approved ... It might be worth noting who approved the sale here.

References

• For refs. 4-5 (maybe others), I would include the "via" parameter for NewspaperArchive, and if the archive bot is working (I have not checked), do accordingly with these sources.
• 23, "NorthPine.com" to simply "NorthPine" as with 31, 32.

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Additional comments or concerns

The first read-through of the article was good. Now to the full read. Adog (Talk・Cont) 17:39, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

• "low-power" in the lead and history sections to Low-power broadcasting?
• MOS:DUPLINKs "Raycom Media" in the lead to another lead link, same with "NBC".
• In subsection "LMA with Raycom Media", the sentence: That purchase created an ownership conflict within the market, as Raycom already owned KTVO at the time and could not legally keep both stations because the market does not have enough television stations to legally permit a duopoly. might be worth omitting one of the "legally"'s here to reduce repetition.
• Same section, should: (KUMK-LP's license was cancelled in March 2014.[31]) be its own sentence or inserted before the punctuation of the previous sentence?

Mostly good in the prose, onto spot checks. Adog (Talk・Cont) 18:16, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

• • Incorporated that better.

• Spotcheck: First sentence of "History", "on the back burner" should be double quotes, quoting the quote. Same sentence, "on November 29, 1984", the 29th is not supported by this source exactly. It does specify last year and November, but not the 29th as far as I can tell.
  • The FCC database has it. But somehow it never printed in Broadcasting. Changed to just November.
• Spotcheck: I am only putting this here for comedic relief because, I swear I was enhancing so much while checking where the heck ref. 18 stated channel 15. I do not know how you saw this haha. I zoomed in all the way and stuck my face into the screen. I think it is between "Laredo, Tex ... KGNS ... 8" and "Fairbanks, Alaska KTVF ... 11".
• Spotcheck: "On August 26, 2003, Waitt announced it would merge with Montgomery, Alabama-based Raycom Media for $25.7 million" is not supported by this source. Maybe a mistaken insert, since it is about Raycom but does not mention Waitt or KYOU or 25.7 million. Article is dated 2006 when deal took place 2003. Source to match?
  • Woooooooof. How did that ref get there? It's about a different deal entirely. The Waitt-Raycom and Waitt-Ottumwa Media deals are separate but clearly related. This section needed some rewriting.
• Spotcheck: "... and could not legally keep both stations because the market does not have enough television stations to legally permit a duopoly." Is not supported by this source explicitly. It is a good explanation, but it is not found in this source. Source to match?
  • I have removed this as a direct fact, though it would have been so obvious to anyone in broadcasting.
• Spotcheck: "This returned NBC to the Ottumwa–Kirksville market for the first time since KTVO ended their secondary affiliation in 1974 ..." this half of the sentence is not supported by this source. Source to match?
  • An oddball fact. You can tell this section was where I left some pieces in place. Some of which would be OR to prove directly. (In Ottumwa, prior to the digital transition, there were TV translators for the NBC and CBS affiliates from Des Moines. I'm not sure what Kirksville had, as there is less available paper from there.)
• Spotcheck: Also not sure if "As part of the merger, Gray also acquired KYOU and WUPV in Richmond, Virginia, which Raycom exercised its options to purchase outright from American Spirit Media." are supported by either of its sources.
  • Added a better reference for this: Gray's own 10-Q from 1Q 2019.

Spot checks are iffy, I am gonna do another round after some lunch. Adog (Talk・Cont) 19:04, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

• In "LMA with Raycom Media": Even though Raycom then sold KTVO and other stations to Barrington Broadcasting in 2006,[24][22][25] Maybe this is where the 2006 article came from that might have been placed up at the 2003 merge by accident.

OK, that was it then, I guess picked all the sources available to me that had the spot check notes. Everything else was clean! Adog (Talk・Cont) 20:57, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Well written + verifiability

The article is well written, with some minor grammar or sentence structure issues. The general manual of style is good as always. The article is verified by a list of reliable sources. The reference list looks good besides some edits. The article has some spotcheck -iffs, I will double check with shortly. Earwig does not produce any problems, a whopping 1%. Even that, I think it is fine. Adog (Talk・Cont) 19:04, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Broadness + focus + neutral

The article is broad in scope, with a good focus on the subject matter. The article is neutral towards the subject material. Adog (Talk・Cont) 19:04, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Images + stability

The images of the article are relevant to the subject and illustrate parts of the prose. Images paperwork are good, although for "File:KYOU.png" the bot did mess up the page a bit. I like how the bot says essential "your problem, good luck" to check the contents are proper haha. That might need fixing. The article is stable, nothing in the ongoing or active dispute department. Adog (Talk・Cont) 17:39, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

• @Sammi Brie: Alright Sammie Brie! The article is almost all good with me, there are some comments above for you to check out! I will be around for responses! :) Adog (Talk・Cont) 20:57, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
  • Fixed the issues, Adog. Not sure how that Barrington ref wound up on the Waitt transaction—I should have caught that in the existing text. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 03:28, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

• @Sammi Brie: All good! :) I figured some errors were probably from the bygone article, as the pre-check has a good amount of diverse authorship. The article is looking arete! Everything checks out on my end, and will pass shortly. Adog (Talk・Cont) 03:44, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

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Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Lightburst (talk) 01:15, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that an Iowa TV station closed five minutes after signing on for the day on orders from its parent company? Source: https://newspaperarchive.com/other-articles-clipping-aug-20-1986-3934704/
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Improved to Good Article status by Sammi Brie (talk). Self-nominated at 04:44, 18 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/KYOU-TV; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

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Overall: —siroχo 09:01, 19 August 2023 (UTC)