Talk:Kadim Al Sahir

The song "The War Is Over"

I removed the comments regarding the song "The War Is Over" being about the war in Iraq. It isn't. Sarah Brightman has stated in interviews that the song does not address the conflict and is not political.

As seen in the interview here:

"This album, Harem, has nothing to do with the political situation in Iraq at all...It was just coincidental that all this happened. "The War Is Over Now" on the album was in fact originally written as a love song." - Sarah Brightman

I think I trust her opinion on the song. Crystallina 02:40, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Here are the lyrics to the song, as shown on Sarah Brightman's official site:

My statues are falling

Like feathers of snow

Their voices are calling

In a whispering world

Waiting for the morning glow

Heaven is calling

From a rainy shore

Counting wounded lights falling

Into their dreams

Still searching for an open door

In morning dew

A glorious scene came through

Like war is over now

I feel I'm coming home again

Pure moments of thought

In the meaning of love

This war is over now

I feel I'm coming home again

An arrow of freedom

Is piercing my heart

Breaking chains of emotion

Give a moment to pray

For lost innocence to find it's way

Fields of sensation

A cry in the dark

Hope is on the horizon

With a reason to stay

And living for a brand new day

Salaam Allah alad donia alal'insaan {salute God and bless life and humans}

Ah ah oh ah

Mata nahia behob ou aman {When will we live in love and safety}

Salaam Allah, Salaam Allah {salute God, salute God}

Salaam Allah alad donia alal'insaan {salute God and bless life and humans}

In morning dew

A glorious scene came through

Like war is over now

I feel I'm coming home again

Pure moments of thought

In the meaning of love

This war is over now

I feel I'm coming home again to you

Personally, I hardly think it's political in any way. War has been used metaphorically to express to a difficult journey, while the reference to God (Allah) is about the meaning of life and love.Jaimebienlesfruits 13:27, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

OK, but you still on nothing of this song. It was NOT only a love song. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.18.152.147 (talk) 12:29, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Project Moved

The musician name is incorrect so i moved it to Kathem Al Saher.It much better than kazem, as we all know that the name kazem sounds like "Egyption" way, not being racist, but we have to make things right not biased. I also mentioned at the very first top that some spelled it with kazem. Thanks SeMiTiC

Propaganda tool?

Someone wrote that he was used as a propaganda tool for Saddam Hussein and his sons. I removed this, since it lacked sources or evidence. Jaimebienlesfruits 00:29, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

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Residence

Where does he live? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.75.26.90 (talk) 06:38, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

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Article improvement

i think the article needs some urgent improvement, for its language mainly (copyediting is required) therefore i will start that right now. You can help if you want to; after all you do not need to know about the topic to copyedit it. Λua∫Wise -Talk- 16:54, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I think that now, we can safely say that the article will not need any major copyediting and perhaps we can remove the tag now.

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Name and Birthdate

1.) There is a 3-year discrepancy between his birthdate in the article and in the infobox, and I don't know which is accurate.

2.) On his album covers his name is spelled "Kadim Al Sahir", so I don't see why the article should be listed under anything different, with that listed as "also".

Rychach (talk) 04:14, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

With relation to point number one; there is also about 300 kelometer discrepancy!; in the first pharagraph of the Article it says he was born in Samarra in 1957, The biography section states he was born in Mousil in 1961. --Maha Odeh (talk) 10:16, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually there are many albums and singles that do not use Kadim Al Sahir. Examples https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hafiat_Al-Kadamain_Kathem.jpg where it is Kazim al Saher, also at https://itunes.apple.com/ca/album/habibati-wal-matar/id161514100 , https://itunes.apple.com/ca/album/salamtak-min-el-ah/id161515241 where it is Kazim Al Saher , https://itunes.apple.com/ca/album/latisideh-lawaah/id421089302 where it is Kadem Al Sahir, https://itunes.apple.com/ca/album/fy-mdrst-alhb/id680576743 where it is Kazem El Saher and in https://itunes.apple.com/ca/album/the-impossible-love/id44235630 as Kazem al Saher and many more. So his album covers do not exclusively use his name as "Kadim Al Sahir" although some do. If you are well aware of Arabic and its transliterations, you know both Kadim and Al-Sahir are so far from his Arabic name as can be. werldwayd (talk) 22:49, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

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bonjour

je vous serais tellement reconnaissante de bien vouloir m'envoyer l'Email personnel de Kadem al saher ; je suis marocain , j'aime la plupart de ces chansons et j'écris certainnes chansons. j'y aimerais savoir votre avis. mon adress [removed email] merci —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.12.236.11 (talk) 02:26, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was not moving, no consensus GrooveDog (talk) 00:41, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

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{{movereq|Kazem Al Saher}}

Kathem Al Saher → Kazem Al Saher — The existing Romanization of the name is haphazard. FrancescoMazzucotelli (talk) 19:19, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Oppose; The one with "th" reflects the correct pronunciation, while the one with "z" is the more -let's say- informal colloquial way.

Cheers mate!

Λuα ^{(Operibus anteire)} 17:23, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Excuse me, in what language do you pronounce ظ as "th"?

The Ẓāʼ sound is an emphatic /z/ or /ð/, pronounced with the center of the tongue depressed. Regional pronunciations vary; it may sound like an emphatic counterpart of either ز or ذ.

It sounds either like "z" or "dh".

Besides, the translitteration of Ẓāʾ is

0638 ظ ẓāʼ Y z̧ ẓ ẓ Z ẓ đ̣ Z /ðˁ/ Z .z Z/z/6'

Finally, I think that "Kazem" is more common usage than "Kathem". Cheers, --FrancescoMazzucotelli (talk) 16:38, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

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Al Saher / Al Sahir

I can find both in the article at a time. This is not really a good thing. Either we should use "Al Saher" in the WHOLE article, or "Al Sahir" but not mix them together. -andy 217.50.43.17 (talk) 18:19, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

This article is terribly written. Please someone who is a native speaker of English fix it. 72.152.138.209 (talk) 15:37, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

It should be "Kazim El Sahir". Why?.., because the letter "ظ" in Arabic meets the letter "Z" in this type of actions. Also, the letter "E" should be "I" because this letter has a short pronunciation like the "Kasra" in the Arabic language. "Al" should be "El" because when you read this word in Arabic you will pronounce it like there is no sound before it. Source(s): I'm on highly knowledge of the pronunciations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.170.211.130 (talk) 14:26, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Main picture

The main picture on this page is huge! I mean look at it, it's immense! This needs fixing... and fast. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RamiTounsi (talk • contribs) 06:35, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Clorox: no no no, i think the picture is good and that's what we need.

Requested move 27 September 2019

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The result of the move request was: Moved (closed by non-admin page mover) Sceptre (talk) 18:35, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

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Kadim Al-Saher → Kadim Al Sahir – Per the artist's official accounts on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram, and his profiles on music platforms such as Spotify and Apple Music. The suggested title is obviously his common name. Keivan.f^Talk 04:47, 27 September 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. Andrewa (talk) 17:32, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

• Support I have also looked it and also think that it is the common name. Futebul (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:07, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
• Relisting comment: The above nomination and discussion appears to be based entirely on primary sources. In that this article has already been moved several times, and this RM might (hopefully and finally) lead to a stable title, I think more discussion time is prudent. Andrewa (talk) 17:33, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment There are dozens of secondary sources that refer to him with the suggested name (1, 2, 3). Even when you google his name, the family name is written as Sahir not Saher. So the argument that the suggested name is not common is invalid. Keivan.f^Talk 05:36, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

Discussion

I note the history of the target page (which will be lost if this move goes ahead):

18:47, 2 January 2019‎ EmausBot talk contribs block‎ m  44 bytes -1‎  Bot: Fixing double redirect to Kadim Al-Saher rollback: 1 editundo Tag: Redirect target changed
03:23, 23 December 2016‎ Xqbot talk contribs block‎ m  45 bytes 0‎  Bot: Fixing double redirect to Kathem Al-Saher 
02:27, 10 October 2016‎ Xqbot talk contribs block‎ m  45 bytes 0‎  Bot: Fixing double redirect to Kadhim Al-Saher 
20:49, 12 September 2015‎ Hashima20 talk contribs block‎  45 bytes +45‎  Hashima20 moved page Kadim Al Sahir to Kadhim Al-Sahir: ض = dh 

There appear to be multiple undiscussed moves of this article. Andrewa (talk) 17:25, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

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