Talk:Kakashi Hatake/Archive 1

Archive 1

Archive 2

Mangekyou Sharingan

I told you all it was the Mangekyou Sharingan —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.169.52.253 (talk • contribs) 01:23, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

That's great, now where's your proof? --Pentasyllabic 03:18, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

If I recall, there hasn't been any proof yet, so I don't know what that guy's problem is... --Splattergroit 09:07, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

He's just happy that his little prediction (and that of many, many, many others, including myself) was correct. Chapter 276 states that Kakashi's new Sharingan is indeed the Mangekyou Sharingan.

Makes me wonder if it changes form for each jutsu performed with it...

--JadziaLover 07:48, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

It still doesn't put him in the right though... I could claim, for example, that World War III will start next year, and even if I spammed it all over Wikipedia and the Internet, most people will disregard it as just another opinion, until next year comes around. --Pentasyllabic 16:52, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Just let it go, you idiot —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.169.52.253 (talk • contribs) 19:22, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Hehe. --Lionelster 09:24, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Anyway, he's right; Kakashi's new Sharingan is the Mangekyou Sharingan. --Tadhg Plummer 13:48, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

technique copy numbers

I am not signed in but oh well, i think in the anime it says 2-3 times that kakashi has copied over 100 ninja techniques, 1000 just sounds too high a number, if im wrong then thats fine but thought id get the idea out. oh yeah, and whoever that anon is needs to learn how to talk like an adult, that is not wiki acceptable behavior, and if you spam curse words and degrade people your IP will be blocked. -tik —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.153.29.23 (talk • contribs) 19:24, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

It was a 1000 jutsus. That is enough techniques to have earned him the title of Copy-nin. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.119.224.42 (talk • contribs) 00:47, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

To augment what the previous user stated, Zabuza mentions this near the beginning of the anime. If it is of great importance to you, I can look up the episode. ~ CodeLabMaster 21:44, 21 June 2006

It was 1000 jutsus. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.179.145.171 (talk • contribs) 00:28, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Edit - 1,000 jutsus is the correct answer. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by XX Kakashi (talk • contribs) 22:26, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Scarecrow?

Does anybody have an idea of why his name is translated into "Scarecrow"? Why does he cover his face and does that have something to do with his name(does his appearance scare everybody away?)? Does it have something to do with The Wizard of Oz? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.192.60.51 (talk • contribs) 19:35, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

If I remember correctly, Kishimoto named Kakashi Kakashi, because he liked the sound of it. The face-covering thing was because Kishimoto thought ninja should cover their faces. --JadziaLover 20:49, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Some speculate it might have been since he looked excatly like his father, 'White Fang'. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.119.224.42 (talk • contribs) 00:48, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

It Could Also Be Because He Was Ashamed To Be The Son Of "The White Fang..Because Of His Failure..Or Just To Make Him Look Really Cool ^_^ XxInuyasha6

... I don't think his name actually means scarecrow. Kakashi is written in katakana, right? So the kakashi that means scarecrow is in hiragana. I don't know why he wears a mask.... but he's so kawaii!^^

It does mean Scarecrow or else why would he be Kakashi Hatake when Hatak means field?

According to the tankōbon extras, Kishimoto was split between naming him Kakashi (カカシ, lit. scarecrow) or Enoki (エノキ, lit. small evergreen shrub) to the very end. He does not regret his decision. –Gunslinger47 22:51, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Raikiri

Is there a source for the Raikiri/Chidori distinction? My impression was they are simply two names for the same thing. --86.144.234.245 17:55, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, the data books. ～卍 JadziaLover ^{会話~投稿} 卐～ 18:46, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

It should be sourced in the article, then --86.144.234.245 18:51, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Kakashi with dogs in ANBU uniform

i recently said that picture wass the cover of naruto volumne 10; that was an error. it was actually the cover page of chapter 90 in the manga, and isnt fanart. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kaizenyorii (talk • contribs) 15:36, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Thunder Clouds

Whats the name of that move Kakashi does to summon the thunder clouds in episode 5 of the anime. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.190.247.165 (talk • contribs) 17:32, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

It's unnamed... If it even IS a technique, anime tends to use colourful backgrounds to emphasize emotions, like the cliffs with the splashing waves when Lee and Gai does one of their little antics. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.228.148.172 (talk • contribs) 19:14, 4 December 2006 (UTC).

But he used hand seals.

Requested move

Hatake Kakashi → Kakashi Hatake – As pointed out in Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Anime_and_manga#Naruto_character_article_titles, the current names for articles about Naruto characters are inconsistent with the names used for other anime characters (Naruto characters use Japanese order for names, while most other anime characters have their name in Western order), as well not following the naming guidelines in WP:MOS-JA.

DO NOT COMMENT HERE. Please participate in the centralized discussion at Talk:Uzumaki Naturo --Kunzite 01:50, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

fictional perverts?!?!

How come Kakashi-sensei is nominated as a "fictional pervert"?!?! (Seriously, WHO did it?) It seems like the requirements for being a "fictional pervert" is: Fictional characters who:

1. "Have knowledge of and have even tried out other forms of sex"
2. "Are often seen spying in locker rooms"

I mean, Jiraiya deserves the title but... our beloved Kakashi-sensei?!?!

Well, maybe if you count the fact that he reads "Icha Icha Paradise"... --Alexie 05:00, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

The actual content of those, though more than likely perverted, is never actually seen. This guy does have a point, though. Reading porn, no matter how frequently, doesn't make one a pervert. Reading it in the open might, but again, we're not certain just what's in those novels. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 05:07, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

You'd know what a pervet is huh Someguy? I'm not sayin' this to offend you, but I trufully believe that you have a great grasp of knowledge of the English language. Power level (Dragon Ball) 17:49, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Kakashi never seemed like a pervert. He just reads "Icha Icha Paradise". Someguy0830 has a point; "Reading porn, no matter how frequently, doesn't make one a pervert. Reading it in the open might". --Tadhg Plummer 13:56, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Hand Seals

I was wondering if the more experienced a ninja is the less he/she has to rely on hand seals, for example naruto uses a hand seal to initiate kage bunshin but whenever we see a high level ninja like kakashi use kage bunshin I see no hand seals.BLaCk 00:44, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

That's just a shortcut in animation. It would be tedious to animate all of the hand seals, so they omit them a lot of the time. Nemu 00:50, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Ooh, that makes sense. They do it so often that I thought since theyve done it so many times that they remember the chakra molding required for the jutsu.BLaCk 23:32, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

I think Kakashi uses the hand sign for Kage-bunshin. It happens after Zabuza dies, and to fight the bandits. Lascoden 04:04, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Kakashi's photo with 4th team

I don't know why but, shouldn't we show the image of Rin, Obito, the 4th Hokage and Kakaski from the anime from the 3rd's flashbacks, instead of the manga one. Cobalt 17:14, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

thats cool but can you get the pic? (if you can please do it).--Kenshin -Himura 20:58, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Done :D Cobalt 15:27, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

nice.--Kenshin -Himura 00:19, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Kakashi Unmasked

I was looking at triva, and it stated that Kakashi's whole face was never seen, but there is a photo of him without his mask. Image:Kakashi Unmasked.JPG Xepeyon 01:45, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

That's fan art. Don't you think someone would have noted Kakashi's unmasked appearance if they had actually shown it in the naime? – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 01:47, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Are you sure? I looked real to me. And if I am wrong, don't bear your claws for something I didn't realize. Xepeyon 02:02, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Seen every episode. It's fake. Well done, one must admit, but fake. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 02:04, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Then I'm putting it up for deletion, since it's not used in any other article and is a fake. –NeoChaosX (talk | contribs) 02:40, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

well, i admit that it looks real (;

There is a manga picture of Kakashi without his mask as the title pictures for chapter 294. However, he is still covering his face with one hand. http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume33.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=21931

Here is a fanmade one

http://www.animegalleries.net/albums/userpics/46859/Kakashi.jpg [[User:pride, kinjiWE WILL NEVER SEE HIS FACE IN THE WHOLE SERIRES, I ASSURE YOU PEOPLE. SLICK200 :)

Jounin

Is it just me, or is jounin spelled wrong? I'm guessing it may be a japanese to english spelling difference or something, but it's spelled "jounin" in the subs of the japanese version of the anime, and I just thought I'd ask. We try to have our facts right, right? ;) -Sinujutsu

"Jounin" is never used in the article. It literalizes the long o sound of Jōnin. The romanized version simply uses "Jonin". It's like saying Hyuuga. Pointless. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 05:05, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

recent revision

I attempted a massive clean-up of the detail in this article and reworked tons of otherwise unnecessary detail (deleting or otherwise moving it to trivia), but alas, my version was reverted back to its original. Why!? This article reads like a book report!!!

Bad.

I'm hoping we can come to a reasonable compromise for personal reasons and also because the article is excessively LONG. I'm hoping we can work together to clean this section up. I propose:

• reorganizing of sections > why are history and the Parts 1 + 2 separate? Do we need a huge ABILITIES section when that can BRIEFLY be explained in the Background sect?
• removal of detail, or otherwise its transfer to trivia sect. > for instance
  • "Kakashi also has another famous (or infamous, depending on who's been on the receiving end) jutsu called One Thousand Years of Death. Despite the verbose title, which is even longer when he actually uses it, this is simply an extremely sharp poke to an opponent's rectum with the index and middle fingers of both hands (the ninja version of a kancho), launching them into midair with humiliating pain. This is first demonstrated by Kakashi on Naruto during the Survival Training Exam. Naruto discovers the true purpose of the jutsu and uses it in a modified form during his fight with Gaara."

...I'm not quite sure what to say about that. It's funny, but...very out of place here.

PLEASE check out the following.

• Wikipedia:Avoid_peacock_terms
• Wikipedia:Article size
• Wikipedia:Guide_to_writing_better_articles
  • "Readers may tire of reading a page much longer than about 6,000 to 10,000 words, which roughly corresponds to 30 to 50 KB of readable prose. Thus the 32 KB recommendation is considered to have stylistic value in many cases; if an article is significantly longer than that, then it probably should be summarized with detail moved to other articles (see Wikipedia:Summary style). For most long pages, division into sections is natural anyway; even if there is no "natural" way to split a long list or table, many editors believe that it should be done anyway, to allow section editing."

....PLEASE someone take the initiative and clean this article up! --Jc215flip 01:42, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Hatake Enoki

• Kishimoto can be quoted once saying that for a long while, Kakashi's first name was supposed to be 'Enoki'[1]. <--- Look on "Kishimoto's Character Designs" on the website.

first of all, where is this from, second, Enoki doesn't show up on this japanese-english dictionary [2], third, what does it mean?

"Enoki" is a variant of "Enoki-take" which tranlates to "Long-thin white mushroom". "Enoki" by itself could mean Long thin and white by itself (meaning Kakashi's appearance). Look to [3] as proof. If you look for "Enoki" on Google images, you'll see images of long thin white mushrooms (yum, yum!!!)

Quoted where? Give an actual source, not some rambling on an MSN group. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 16:18, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Please, don't be so rude Someguy. It was stated in the manga, by the author in one of his "development pages". He tried to decide the name for Kakashi, and the coice was between that and Enoki and some other. He ended that paged with being glad to have chosen Kakashi instead of the others.

I cannot say which manga, but it seems to be after the Wave Country Arc Hackeru

Copied Jutsu

I've noticed that Kakahsi's copied jutsu (at least, the ones that we know of, such as Water Clone Jutsu and Iron Fist taijutsu) do not appear in his profile box. Is there any specific reason for that, or can I add that in the next time I'm free? 75.24.92.170 06:30, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Because it'd be ridiculously bloated. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 06:35, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Water Clone is listed, Strong Fist (Iron Fist) does not because we've NEVER seen him use that. Only Guy, Tsunade and Rock Lee have been seen using such a feat. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kabuto Yakushi (talk • contribs) .

Hmm....

Rock Lee: That's what makes the Hyuuga clan so great

Hanoru Sakura: Huh? What do you mean?

Might Guy: The Hyuuga have a special tajutsu that has been passed down... The taijutsu Lee and I use causes damage by injuring the body and breaking bones... it's a fighting style that aims to cause damage to the outer body. You could call it an Iron Fist style. While Hyuuga causes damage by flowing their chakra into the opponents Inner Coils Systems. A technique that destroys the inner organs... a Gentle Fist style

Basically, the Iron Fist is any taijutsu that causes exterior damage to the body and not a specific style. To say that this is the same style Tsunade uses would be incorrect, since Rock Lee and Might Guy does not build up their chakra in their fists and then releases it with such control like Tsunade or Sakura. --- Hackeru

Trivia: to be or not to be

I have noticed today that I cannot find the information which I clearly remember to be here some time ago. After some history browsing it was discovered that TTN removed the whole section with the facts I was looking for (the whole section called "trivia" was removed on the 1st of September). I have put a part of those trivia back, and that was followed by a lightning quick reaction of TTN who reversed my edit with a rather weak argument "none of that is important".

Setting aside some thoughts in that section that I think are nice but not that important, I would like to draw attention to two facts (quoted from what used to be the Trivia section):

• Kishimoto can be quoted once saying that for a long while, Kakashi's name was supposed to be 'Enoki'.
• As of the second data book, Kakashi has completed 197 D-rank, 189 C-rank, 414 B-rank, 277 A-rank, and 39 S-ranked missions.

Personally I think that the first one is just nice to know (perhaps we should add the "gozaru" bit, too), and the second item is something one might want to know and I can tell you it is not found that easily on the web. Perhaps TTN would care to elaborate on why (s)he thinks it is not important for the encyclopedia readers to know and/or some other contributors would care to express their opinions about whether these lines deserve their place in the article? --Ru.spider 18:17, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Nobody could find a valid source about the Enoki bit, and the missions are unneeded "cruft." Nemu 18:25, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Pic of real face

I have a pice of his real face in naruto http://sjl-static6.sjl.youtube.com/vi/eqt2kKcw2WQ/2.jpg

Fake. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 21:42, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. Looks like a low-res photoshop job. Uzumaki 18:52, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Doesn't even look like him. Fake. A positive 11/10. Perhaps you should sue the person who gave you thos picture. Extra cash. Haha...Zachary crimsonwolf 12:42, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

totally fake.

He doesn't even have his Sharingan eye! Totally fake. Kyo cat 00:55, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

His eyes are too small to see (it is on my computer.) But fake, nonetheless. // Sasuke-kun27 00:56, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Heh heh, well I guess my glasses aren't thick enough! ^_^ But still, you'd think there'd be a small glimmer of red. I didn't see it cuz I glued my face to the moniter trying to find it. But maybe the pic is so small because the person doesn't want to admit that it's fake. And the face is deformed, too. Okay, I'll stop now. Don't want to start an arguement, like the one in the Talk: Naruto Uzumaki page. Whew! ¡Adios! Kyo cat 01:06, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I admit, it looks pretty real, but fake all the same.i got the real one though.image:realface.jpg - Hyuuga-sama 01:17, 20 February 2007 (UTC)hyuga-sama

Yeah, there's such a big difference between the two, meaning yours must be real. ~SnapperTo 01:43, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I got it from somewhere, i just dont remember. - Hyuuga-sama 01:45, 20 February 2007 (UTC)hyuuga-sama

That image needs to be deleted for several reasons: it's not being used on any articles ("orphaned"); no copyright tag; extremely high possibility that it isn't even real... you guys get the idea. // DecaimientoPoético 01:47, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

OrphanBot will find it eventually. ~SnapperTo 01:50, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Peregrine Falcon Drop

If the piledriver move that Sasuke hit Orochimaru with in the Forest of Death, and Naruto with at the Valley of the End is called Peregrine Falcon Drop, then isn't that the exact same move that Kakashi killed Roga Nadare with in the first Naruto Movie? It was not any Omote Renge I've ever scene. However in the Falcon Drop's article it notes the similarity due to the fact that they are both moves that drop an enemy on there head with the force of both combatants weight from a high altitude. But the move should be on Kakashi's moves list. Rayfire 20:59, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

• Disregard the above comment. I can admit when I'm wrong. The move doesn't qualify for Omote Renge, but it certainly wasn't Hayabusa Otoshi. More of a standard Ninja Lightning drop in the vein of Vega from Street Fighter. My apologies. Rayfire 07:49, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Kakashi's promotion to Jonin

Is it explicitly stated that Kakashi's promotion was due to a lack of manpower? If not, then Iorinyc is perfectly justified in removing that part. --Pentasyllabic 22:25, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

No, it was not stated explicitly and is therefore speculative. --Ru.spider 23:38, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: Question

I thought that Might Guy was the strongest Jonin in Konohagakure , not Kakashi from the "manga databooks" as it says so on his ability section. Can someone shed light on this? – Power level (Dragon Ball) (Don't talk to me! I'm still a virgin... | I'm innocent - kidding)

If you compare the diagrams on pages 56 (Guy) and 94 (Kakashi) of the First Official Databook, you can see that in four of the eight parameters Guy beats Kakashi by a bit, and in the other four Kakashi is significantly better. However, Might Guy has never been given a chance in manga or anime to show such powerful moves as Kakashi does on a regular basis. Besides that, Kakashi is widely known in the world of Naruto (even in foreign countries), unlike Guy (a foreigner knowing him is shown only once, in anime filler). --Ru.spider 23:38, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

This perception might have come from the fact that when he's introduced, he holds a 50 to 49 lead over Kakashi in various contests. However, as is shown later these contests invariably range from sprinting to janken. These contests seem to happen regularly (such as the "Who can defeat more Ninja game they play during the Invasion of Konoha arc). It's difficult to say who is a stronger Ninja as they've never actually fought. 151.151.73.163 19:42, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

S-Class?

Is Kakashi an S-Class ninja? I was just wondering because he capable of taking on Akatsuki members(who are all S-Class), does S-Class missions, and has S-Class Jutsus. 65.80.232.74 17:19, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

As far as I recall, there was no clear definition of an S-rank ninja. However, it seems reasonably to assume that both Kakashi Hatake and his father can be classified as S-rank. --Ru.spider 23:38, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

He's in a bingo book isn't he? ;) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.239.247.59 (talk • contribs) 18:53, 3 December 2006 (UTC).

We all know Kakashi's strong enough to be Hokage. Since he's not Hokage, shouldn't be be at least Anbu ranked? --Kevin Green13 00:56, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

hm, I don't think Kakashi is strong enough to be Hokage. He's not on the same level as the 4th Hokage, the 5th or Jiraiya for that matter. --Sphinxridd 21:34, 3 December 2006 (EST)

Since we do not know the abilities of the 4th, the 5th and Jiraiya, we can use the 3rd. If you compare his abilities (page 117 of the first databook) to the ones of Kakashi, you can see that in three parameters (stamina, hand seals, ninjutsu) they have the same level of abilities, in two of them (genjutsu and taijutsu) Kakashi loses, in two others they are almost equal (The Third is slightly wiser and weaker), and in one parameter (speed) Kakashi is definitely better. This means that even in the first part of the manga Kakashi approaches the level of kage. Given these numbers, his dedication to the village, his ability to perform some S-ranked jutsu, his teaching ability, as well as the lack of other jonins of the same level, one can definitely say that if Jiraiya and Tsunade suddenly died, he'd be the first candidate for the job. --Ru.spider 23:56, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Think it's a little unfair to compare someone, Kakashi, who's in his mid-20's to the Third Hokage, who has well passed his prime age.(I'm not certain about his age, I'd say the Third is around 70's? I don't have the data book.) I do agree that Kakashi has what it takes to be a great Hokage, after all, combat skills aren't the most important asset when it comes to the leader of the village. --Sphinxridd 19:32, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

The Third was 68 when he was killed. You don't need the databook for that, just read his wiki page ;) And yes, it is unfair to compare them, but if The Third was playing a role of hokage, so could Kakashi. --Ru.spider 01:34, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

He is ANBU ranked, no doubt about that: he has been an ANBU captain for several years. Yet ANBU and S-rank are different things. --Ru.spider 23:56, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

How is S-Rank defined? --Sphinxridd 19:34, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

See above: there is no clear definition. However, there are examples of people who are S-ranked and are not ANBU (Orochimaru), as well as numerous ANBUers who are never said to belong to S-rank. This means S-rank and ANBU are different groups, for more information see Naruto ninja ranks. --Ru.spider 01:34, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, he is. But Bingo Book contains information about all kinds of criminals, not only S-ranked. On the other hand, some ninjas (like the Legendary Three) belong S-rank but are not listed in any Bingo Book. --Ru.spider 23:56, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Different villages have different versions of the Bingo Book, right?--Sphinxridd 19:35, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

You are correct about that, but this entire discussion is a moot point unless someone calls Kakashi S-Rank in the series. Anything else is OR. Treima 01:01, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

The only fact we really have is Momochi Zabuza saying Kakashi is well-known and is listed in his Bingo Book. Nobody calls Kakashi S-rank in the series nor in manga, period. --Ru.spider 01:34, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

My point exactly. Treima 03:20, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Is there a wiki page on the Bingo book? (I remember reading somewhere that Masashi explains why it's called the Bingo book.) If there's an entry, would it behelpful to list the Bingo books that have been mentioned/seen so far in the manga/anime? (Zabuza's, Sai's and etc.)--Sphinxridd 13:24, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Right. Yet no country will go as far as declaring the head of another country a criminal, never mind the rank. --Ru.spider 01:34, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to point out that as powerful as Kakashi might be on paper, he was still pretty scared when Orochimaru showed up while he was containing Sasuke's Heavenly Seal. Comparing him to the Third Hokage doesn't really work because, as stated by the Third Hokage and Enma during the fight with Orochimaru, he's far past his prime and probably should have retired some time ago. At the point the series begins, he's a Kage in name but not necessarily in his level of ability. 151.151.73.163 19:46, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

well, Orochimaru is pretty powerful and is well qualified to be hokage if he weren't evil. In terms of power, I think Orochimaru > Third >= Kakashi. Sphinxridd 22:48, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Why isn't he an S-rank? I mean, he's strong, cool, and funny enough? I don't really know what that has to do with anything but still... he should be an S-rank. -Maymi Hatake Also, after watching that episode over again, I think it is a technique. He starts using seals when they "pass". Shindo9Hikaru 02:18, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Lightning Blade

No offense, but how do any of us know that he can only use Lightning Blade four times in a day. He could have progressed(I spelled it wrong) during the time jump. I hope they don't kill off Kakashi like they did to Asuma.Sam ov the blue sand 23:38, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

That's entirely possible. Maybe we should mention the 4-time-a-day comment was from Part I. Sphinxridd 20:46, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Lightning Blade or Raikiri?

I have a question about the name of this technique, why not Raikiri? I understand the conventions of the English Wiki, but there are exceptions such as (jutsu) and it seems to me that the style of the English manga and anime is to leave the names of stylized jutsu such as Chidori or Rasengan in their original Japanese...so why the difference in policy with Raikiri? Actually now that I think about it Chidori and Rasengan were changed on this site too...why, when both versions of the manga refer to them as such? If we're switching everything over to english then should'nt we switch over terms like Kekkei Genkai, Jutsu, and Akatsuki as well? Their seems to be a double standard. I dont plan on altering anything without a consensus but I would appreciate a response on the subject.--Master Shan 16:11, 14 December 2006 (UTC)--129.2.239.251 16:10, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm fairly certain neither Chidori nor Rasengan have been unveiled in either the manga or anime. They have in the games, but we don't count those. In any case, jutsu names are Englishized for consistency and to prevent having to write out an entire line of text to make one link. Furthermore, the reason we use things like ninjutsu, kekkei genkai, etc, is because the English uses them as loan words in place of their actual translation. The same is not true of jutsu. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 16:16, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Viz calls Chidori "1000 Birds". Numbers are the new black apparently. ~SnapperTo 18:37, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Lazy bastards. Well, at least that justifies the convention. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 18:41, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Ahh I see, for some reason I could have sworn the English Anime had gotten to Chidori, but I see now that they are just before. Well w/e I guess thats that, though for the record I believe Rasengan and Chidori sound much cooler than A thousnad Birds or Spirialing Sphere from and english perspective...and alot less lame and long winded to shout out in battle...but thats just imho.--Master Shan 02:00, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

"Chidori" and "Rasengan" probably don't sound any more interesting to Japanese people than "One Thousand Birds" and "Spiraling Sphere" do to English people, as the Japanese probably think of the jutsu as what their meanings are (ie. "One Thousand Birds" and "Spiraling Sphere"). ~SnapperTo 04:37, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh I'm sure thats the case. But the fact remains in Japanese they are one word, not several and thus not long winded. Also I image translating them will mess with the lip flap syncronization...but w/e. I suppose we'll see the decision soon enough.--Master Shan 20:54, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

That's the good thing about Kakashi. He can talk all he wants and you never know how his lips are movings. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 20:59, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

a random question

sorry, this probably isn't the right place to ask, but i thought you guys probably know - After Kakashi picked up Naruto at the Valley of the End, he mentioned a previous fight that happened there and commented that Naruto/Sasuke's fates were similar to those 2 statues'. What fight was Kakashi referring to and who are those 2 statues? sorry for the random and dumb question! --Sphinxridd 04:10, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

It was the fight that is said to have created the valley, which I imagine was between the two men depicted as statues (one of whom looks to be the First Hokage). ~SnapperTo 04:37, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Current Arc

current arc seems to be a couple of chapters old. also, in 335, what did Kakashi give Shikamaru before Shikamaru's attach on Hidan? --Sphinxridd 04:48, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

69.115.46.242 05:05, 24 December 2006 (UTC)Kakashi gave Shikimaru a capsule with Kakuzu's blood in it so they could trick Hidan into accidentaly using Kakuzuz's blood in the jutsu that he used on asuma thus killing Kakuzu(or at least damaging one of his hearts)instead of shikimaru.69.115.46.242

Question, why doesn't the page have his fav/ least fav foods etc. anymore?

Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. –Gunslinger47 22:59, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Page Display

Hey, the page disappeared. The only thing I see is "g". You guys need to fix that.75.71.168.102 00:49, 20 January 2007 (UTC)Dee

that was taken care of last hour hit refresh or F5--Xiahou 00:51, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Kakashi and Chidori

Does anyone know how many times a day Kakashi can use Chidori? I know that he can use Raikiri four times a day.Jacce 20:23, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't matter. He never uses the former. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 21:16, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

But it would be fun to know88.206.159.226 12:13, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

The point is, since he never uses it, we don't know. Retlor 12:10, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Ok but if he never uses it, then shouldnt it be taken off the list of his SIGNATURE jutsu? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.185.163.37 (talk) 16:31, 13 May 2007 (UTC).

When he was training Sasuke, he said he could use either the chidori or the Raikiri 4 times a day, so I guess they use the same amount of chakra.

rasengan?

look, kakashi is now capable of using the rasengan or swirling sphere. shouldn't we list that under his abilities? he's seen using it in naruto II. Itachi1452 15:55, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Kakashi has been able to use Rasegan a very long time but never does since it's an uncompleted technique.Jacce 16:00, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

neither is chidori yet he uses it...

I don't know who you are but if you could sign your comments it would make things easyer. And why do you think that Chidori is incomplete?Jacce 18:28, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Chidori isn't a complete jutsu as it had fatal flaw: open to counter attacks. However it isn't a problem now as Kakashi had the Sharingan eye. However in this matter, Kakashi capable of performing ANY jutsu as he copied thousand jutsus. Let's just write the ones he usually use. Reinn 08:53, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Kakashi Pic

Can we change the Main Picture of this article it kind of lame and it not that it bad picture is that it doesnt even show cool side of Kakashi ( Naruto Favorite character) so can you change with out copyright issues Demon of Water 6:58 14 Febuary 2007

Raikari skill increased?

In the most recent chapter it appears that Kakashi uses Raikiri to finish off Kakuzu. Since he had already used it four times, shouldn't we note his increase in skill? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.152.161.152 (talk) 18:20, 16 February 2007 (UTC).

He doesn't name it, so it might not be the same skill. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 18:28, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Kakashi's New Jutsu

It it ever said what Kakashi's new Mangekyou Sharingan Jutsu is called? The warping one. 74.234.61.231 04:10, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

No. Treima 04:20, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Is this a fansite?

http://groups.msn.com/SHAMANS-SHINOBIS/kishimotoscharacterdesigns.msnw if you see "Concept 2 - Hatake Kakashi" - you'll notice that there is an interesting piece of trivia about Kishimoto deciding on his appearance in the story and what to name him. I don't believe this is a fake or random site, as Snapper2 and Someguy0830 pointed out. I wanted to keep the trivia in the beginning of Kakashi's article with a citation needed [4], but Someguy0830 reverted me again and said that it still shouldn't even be mentioned. I disagree. Then why do we have quotes on Neji's and Hinata's articles that can have citations needed but Kakashi can't have one? Who can help out here? Power level (Dragon Ball) 01:37, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it is. It's certainly not verifiable. There is no point in leaving an indefinite citation needed. If this was real, I'm pretty sure a real source would have come up by now. It's just an internet rumor. Nemu 01:42, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Must I say again to find the volume/issue of whatever that the website got the information from? That would be an actual source. Also, Hinata and Neji really don't need the quotes that they have in their articles, so take them out if they bother you that much. ~SnapperTo 03:13, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

On the subject of name changes...

Since this is a Japanese anime, and the Japanese name order is family name - given name, that is how the names should be written. Would you change the order of your name if you went to Japan? Yes, this is the English wikipedia, but it's not an English show. Correcting the names makes them incorrect, no matter what you've been spoon-fed by Viz and Toonami.

Also, quoting Wikipedia as a source for the information on wikipedia is really...stupid. I can't say that I'm right because I decided that; I need to have proof. Citing a link to a wikipedia page as proof that Westernized name orders are correct is illogical and rather childish. Quit it.

If someone can give me proof that Westernizing the names of Japanese characters in a Japanese show is actually the correct way to write them, I'll stop changing it. And, by the way, you can't cite the anime and manga as sources for that, because it's Japanese name-order in the scanlationed manga and fansubbed Japanese anime. Shikamarumode 21:45, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

We've discussed this. It's Western order. Why you may ask? First, read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:NeoChaosX/Naruto_names if you would. Once you read that, understand this. Dubbing companies > fansubbing and scantalation groups. Don't like it? I'm sure there's a forum you could complain to. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 21:49, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

I already mentioned that wikipedia isn't a reliable source for the information on wikipedia. Your link, therefore, cannot be used as evidence.

And WHY is it Western order? You have to back up what you say with actual evidence rather than 'Because I said so', or you look juvenile and stupid.

Also, I already said that you can't use the anime and manga as evidence, since the Japanese anime and manga would have Japanese name-order.

So, actually, you've proved nothing. All you've done is provide unreliable, unusable evidence and reiterate the point I'm arguing against without backing it up. That's some pretty shoddy debating. Want to try again, only better?

Nice try, but you don't know what you're talking about, and you obviously don't want to read the link because it explains in all too certain terms why you're not going to get your way. You're simply trying to misuse Wiki guidelines to make your point valid, and it's going to fail. It's in Western order because it is officially dubbed as such in the English version of the anime, which is the predominant media of Naruto in English speaking countries. If you have a problem with that fact, you can take it up with them. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 21:59, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Would you like to try coming up with a reason better than "It originates from Japan"? This matter was discussed last year, and the community decided to use western naming order. It's tough cookies if you're late to the party, but you can't override consensus to meet your approval. ~SnapperTo 22:00, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

I'll admit, I didn't read the link. That's my bad. I did read it now, though, and you're still wrong.

Westernizing Japanese names puts them into last name - first name order. Let me show you how.

First - the beginning, the initial, the one that comes before all others.

Last - the end, the one that comes after all others

Name - I'm sure you know what a name is.

Your first name would, therefore, be the name you give first when introducing yourself. It does not necessarly have to be your given name.

Your last name is the name you give last when introducing yourself. It does not necessarily have to be your family name.

In Japan, the first name - last name order is family name - given name. Westernizing it makes it last name - first name, which is, apparently, not supposed to be used on wikipedia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shikamarumode (talk • contribs) 22:11, 24 February 2007 (UTC).

I don't even know where to start. That is wrong on so many levels. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 22:16, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

How is it wrong? Just saying it's wrong doesn't prove anything.

The fact that you believe its right is sad. First name = given name. First name =/= the first name you use. I suppose you want to claim that James Bond's first name is Bond because he introduces himself as "Bond, James Bond"? Your argument is flawed in the total sense of the term. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 22:23, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Given =/= first. In a culture where the given name is given last, your family name is your first name because it's the first name you give.

It's not sad that I believe something that logic proves to be true. It's sad that you can't accept anything beyond your own narrow perceptions of what these terms mean.

And it's sad that you're willing to twist the meanings of terms into something so obviously incorrect to suit your whims. I'll put this very simply. Even if that nonsense you wrote were remotely true, and anyone with an education can tell you it's not, your complaints do not even matter. To quote WP:MOS-JP: "For a modern figure (a person born from the first year of Meiji (1868) onward), always use the Western order of given name + family name for Western Alphabet, and Japanese Style family name+<space>+given name for Japanese Characters." Care to beat that? — Someguy0830 (T | C) 22:39, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

To add to that, Japanese uses family name + given name. An example of this is "Hatake Kakashi". English uses given name + family name. An example of this is "Kakashi Hatake". You're switching Japanese naming order to English and then switching it back to Japanese to try and make it seem like Japanese order = English order, which it doesn't. ~SnapperTo 22:39, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Your whole argument is based on using first name - last name order, which, as I have proved (with logic rather than insults, which is rather better than what you've done so far), would be family name - given name for Japanese characters.

This is not the same as given name -family name versus family name - given name, because those are not the same as first name - last name. Your given name is not always your first name, and your family name is not always your last name.

If the rule is changed to say that, when writing about characters or people with family name - given name name-order, we are to use given name - family name, then I will concede defeat. At that point, I'd be wrong. But until it is, I'm right.

Can't you read, or are you ignoring us in the hopes it'll make your argument valid? To quote WP:MOS-JP#Names of modern figures: "For a modern figure (a person born from the first year of Meiji (1868) onward), always use the Western order of given name + family name for Western Alphabet, and Japanese Style family name+<space>+given name for Japanese Characters." Click the link. Guidelines trump nonsense, which is all you've given us. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 22:57, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

You need to abandon the idea of first name + last name, as it has nothing to do with the issue at hand and only seems to be muddling your argument. ~SnapperTo 23:32, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Missing jutsus

Why are there so many missing jutsus? He knows at least 3 water attacks, the eight gates, the front lotus, dancing leaf shadow, rasengan, one thousand years of pain, and the hell viewing genjutsu.

Signature jutsus only. // DecaimientoPoético 01:42, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

So? He still used them, and that water wall emcampment is a signature move of his.

If we include every jutsu they ever use, we get no sense of what jutsu are associated with them. The eight gates for example, are much more commonly associated with Gai and Lee, and therefore not his signature jutsu. Plus we don't (in most cases) put just that are anime only (Dancing leaf shadow, front lotus). There are exceptions to that rule, but we try to keep it within the bounds of the manga as far as I can tell. Retlor 21:49, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Here's an idea. How about there's a section for copied jutsu?

Yeah...I agree with the last poster. Shindo9Hikaru 02:21, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

It's still irrelevant. There's no need to list all of his jutsu as it does not add to the article in any fashion other than in taking up space. Notable jutsu (i.e. Mangekyo Sharingan, Raikiri, etc.) are the ones that are either unique to him or define him as a character. Front Lotus for instance is out of place and simply one of his hundreds of copied techniques. Sephiroth BCR 00:55, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

ok if you listen to the show kakashi said that he only has one not copied move and the lighning blade, so it would just make a list of all but one of his jutsu and one with lighning blade. read once in a while

What makes a move "signature"? He only used Tracking Fang once, but he's used Earth Decapitation and Water Encampment Wall at least twice each.

Face

Why does Kakashi keep his face covered? Is there any reason?

Aside from his Sharingan-powered left eye, there has been no given reason as to why he wears a mask. Chances are, he just loves to look 1337. You Can't See Me! 02:45, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

he doesnt wear the 'mask' to hide his sharingan eye he uses hs forehead protector for that but i believe its cause his father believed that ninjas should cover their faces

face spoiler

Can anyone tell me if this is real or fake?(warning:possible spoiler) http://www.u-blog.net/K3nny432/img/kakashi_232.jpgQuietDrive627 22:10, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Most likely fake. // DecaimientoPoético 01:00, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

ya, probably fake, but he looks like hes about to own someone. KKIPPES 04:12, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Photoshopped (fake) probably. Shindo9Hikaru 02:22, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

gotta be fake, hasta beLover of the sand 21:35, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

It's fake and fan-made. It looks good, but technically it's unencyclopedic, as it's fake, and cannot be shown in the main article. However, I give the creator a thumbs-up for making it. --Putmalk 00:35, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, even if it's fake, that's probably what Kakashi really looks like.

yeah, fake. but it looks really good!

Current team

"Current team Team 10 (Kakashi Hatake, Shikamaru Nara, Ino Yamanaka, Choji Akimichi)" The current team in the Anime is Hatake Kakashi, Uzumaki Naruto and Haruno Sakura. —The preceding comment was added by Shizznizzle (talk • contribs • page moves • block user • block log)

They're not considered a team unless they're formely organized into one. If Kakashi went out next with Team 8, then that's what would be put. As of now, he's on leave. Sephiroth BCR 06:34, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Abilities

Shouldnt we update his abilities? It doesnt even mention all of his abilities pre-time skip i.e.- Hightened sense of smell, and Chakra gates. But after his improvements post time-skip the sections just woefully inadequate.--Master Shan 20:14, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

You could try adding what you think needs to be added. You don't need permission to contribute to the article. ~SnapperTo 20:52, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Image

Image that display Kakashi Sharingan

a very disturbing tacniqe of his is 1000 years of pain in which he puts his hands into the tiger seal and shoves it up his oppenets rear sending them flying away

First, learn to spell ("tacniqe" is spelled technique), use proper punctuation, and sign your posts. Second, what the hell are you trying to get at? // DecaimientoPoético 17:35, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

second debut

im adding the debut of other characters like kakashi i am adding his debut in part II —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jackjohnson15 (talk • contribs) 20:01, 8 May 2007 (UTC).

Chidori removal

We have yet to see Kakashi use chidori, so shouldn't it be removed from his list of SIGNATURE jutsu/kekkai genkai?24.185.163.37 21:20, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

The fact that he created it means that it should probably stay on the list.Retlor 05:57, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

He performs it in Kakashi Gaiden as a teen. You Can't See Me! 03:52, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

So he did. I forgot about that.Retlor 18:43, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Kakashi's Face

It is shown in the OVA Konoha Annual Sports Festival in the line of people. He is behind Teuchi and in front of Jiroubou. Part of it is scartchy and his eyes look a bit off, but the hair is his (or perhaps his fathers...)

Wasn't sure if it should be included.

At exactly 1:00 ColbertxNation 20:27, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

After looking at the shot, his hair seems to be more of a brown-ish colour than white so I don't really think it could be him. I mean, that's just how I see it. Someone else might have something else to say about it. // DecaimientoPoético 20:43, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

It's not literally meant to be him, but is likely an Easter Egg placed in there by the animators. Note, however, that this lineup scene is 1352% not canon. Kishimoto likely never released any maskless character model sheets to the animators responsible. This is trivia at best, but othewise on the level of what you find in the photoshoppings on deviantART.[5][6][7][8] –Gunslinger47 17:57, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Here is the clearest shot of Bizarro Kakashi I could get.

http://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bizarrokakashier0.jpg

In every frame that he is drawn in, his face is obscured by the fake VHS tape noise, which is more evidence suggesting that the parallels to Kakashi were deliberate. –Gunslinger47 22:24, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Japan

Why is this article under the scope of that WikiProject while the other Naruto ones aren't? Lord Sesshomaru

???

i wonder how kakashi can use fire element jutsu even though with his mask covering his mouth?can anyone tell me??

Because he's a magical ninja from the land of wonder......81.132.162.55 16:29, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

I have never seen Kakashi use a fire jutsu.Supah kid 15:20, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Have u watch the naruto shippuuden series?He performed his copy ninjutsu goukakyu no jutsu ( grand fireball technique)to duel with sakura and naruto in episode 4

it's a special mask that allows fires to go through without burning it....

The fire doesn't start until a few inches past the lips, or mask as it were. It would be an uncomfortable jutsu otherwise –Gunslinger47 15:06, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Because the anime doesn't take common sense into account when they add crap the manga didn't. The fire is still coming up from the users lungs (fire needs oxygen to burn, yadda yadda). But somehow Kakashi is able to breathe through his mask so I dunno...maybe it is a special mask.

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