Talk:Kalispell, Montana

Travis Ober

I removed "Travis Ober, dating Michelle Williams" from the famous people section because it looks very doubtful. No mention on her page, nothing from google, and that entry is the sole-ever contribution from anon 153.90.199.8[1]. So unless it's a misspelling or something ... Kevin Ryde 23:28, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Name Etymology

Where does the Name Kalispell come from? --BjKa 13:09, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Looks like a Pacific Northwest native American tribe... http://www.kalispeltribe.com/ --Greyduk 05:57, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Area of Kalispell

I have updated the section on the area of Kalispell with an excerpt from the city's report on construction and annexation for 2008. Kalispell, through annexations, has more than doubled in area from 2000. To use only the area reported by the 2000 Census misstates the size of the city. My update includes the areas reported by the 2000 and 1990 Censuses, but this is one case in which relying on only the Census instead of the city's planning and GIS shops misleads the reader.Pixeljim (talk) 16:02, 17 February 2009 (UTC) James Conner, Kalispell, MT, 17 February 2009. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pixeljim (talk • contribs) 15:57, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

We need either an online citation or a proper citation for a printed reference, because what you added really isn't enough to identify the source. You can see Wikipedia:Citing sources for details. Nyttend (talk) 16:09, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

I've added a footnote in what I hope is the correct form. Now, we need to get down to basics. The old entry, citing the 2000 Census, contained obsolete information, thereby misinforming the reader. I replaced that entry with current information. My rationale was simple: the Wiki should be accurate. But my entry was rejected because someone thought what I added "really isn't enough to identify the source." Balderdash. Any high school student worthy of graduation could have found the information in five minutes. I've tried to follow what I think is the correct form -- but if it isn't the correct form, fix the entry; don't delete it. If my latest entry is deleted and replaced by the 2000 Census number, this page will mislead readers.

As a related matter, my attempt to correct this record has convinced me that the Wiki should not rely on the Census for a city's size. The current size should be obtained from the city's planning department. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pixeljim (talk • contribs) 18:44, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

The problem was that I didn't know where to go to verify what you had added — we rely on reliable sources, so we can't help being outdated unless we have good up-to-date sources. If you had cited a printed reference properly, I would have known, even though I didn't have the information. As it is, the online reference was sufficient; it wasn't formatted fully properly, but it had enough that I was able to format it properly. Thanks much! Nyttend (talk) 19:52, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Moreover, how are we supposed to rely on city planning departments for everywhere? Most municipalities don't have planning departments, or if they do, they don't publish online. I'm sure that larger ones do, but what about cities the size of Ensign, Kansas? Nyttend (talk) 19:55, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

I detect a note of academic righteousness, as intense, perhaps, as my irritation at what I consider Nyttend's excessively talmudic adherence to the Wiki's conventions for citations. I'm going to grant amnesty on that exchange. Now, concerning on relying on city planning departments. Sure, not all planning departments are online -- but many are. If a city's planning department is not online, a knowledgeable official often can be reached by telephone (old technology, but still a valid way to obtain information; and surely the Wiki's objective is to provide the best possible information, not just information that can be verified online). Otherwise, use the Census figure, but note that information from the city was not available. My points here are (a) reports from the 2000 Census are now almost ten years old, and (b) often more recent information, sometimes from the Census Bureau, exists and should be used. In fact, I think the Wiki should encourage planning departments to review and if necessary update or improve Wiki references to their cities. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pixeljim (talk • contribs) 21:38, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

There is a units conversion error on the article page, where it says

According to the United States Census Bureau, in 2000, the city had a total area of 25.5 square miles (14.1 km²), all of it land.

25.5 square miles is 66.0 km².

14.1 km² is 5.44 square miles.

14.1 square miles is 36.5 km².

25.5 km² is 9.85 square miles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.100.192.50 (talk) 03:03, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Kalispell History

The information regarding Kalispell Regional Hospital is either incorrect or the reference is misplaced. As far as I can tell, Newsweek does not publish ranked lists of hospitals. USnews publishes the most cited hospital rankings and does not rank KRMC. As for number of beds differing numbers are found on popular websites such as healthgrades.com and ucomparehealthcare.com. The KRMC website notes that there are "nearly 200 physician employees". In this light I believe it is best to remove the misleading information, even if it does paint the hospital in a positive light. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drob652 (talk • contribs) 05:19, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

I have corrected the common misunderstanding concerning the founder of Kalispell. First, please note that the URL cited as supporting Mr. Hill as founder has been taken down at some point, and the City has no historical information I could find. J. J. Hill was certainly an influence in that he needed a town there, but he was not in the business of founding towns. Throughout Minnesota and North Dakota, when J. J. Hill needed a town somewhere, he usually called upon the Northwest Land Company, a partnership of Almond A. White and Solomon G. Comstock. In Montana, however, that was not the case. He approached Charles E. Conrad, then of Ft. Benton, and proposed that he, Conrad, look into the Flathead country with the idea of founding a town where he needed it. C. E. Conrad did so. The Kalispell Townsite Company was incorporated in Minnesota by Mr. Conrad, Almond A. White of Moorhead, MN, James B. Conner of Indianapolis, IN and Wm. P. Clough of St. Paul, MN, with C. E. Conrad as majority stockholder and managing director. I am actively researching the history of the Flathead and Mr. Conrad, but as very little of that has yet been published, cannot put it into Wiki articles. The URL cited is still up and active. In the interests of full disclosure, I did, in fact, write the article cited for the County last year or so. Subsequent research, however, reveals the need for a few changes, none of which have aught to do with this article on Kalispell. Glacierman (talk) 18:31, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Missoula trade area

I have been arguing on the Missoula page that I don’t think Kalispell is dependent on Missoula for goods and services so I don’t think it is part of the Missoula trade area. So I guess I will ask here: do you think Kalispell is part of the Missoula trade area?

Soglad Tomeetyou (talk) 02:04, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

If you consider Kalispell as "dependent on Missoula for goods and services," then no, Kalispell is not part of the Missoula trade area. BUT, if you consider that folk from the Kalispell area often shop in Missoula, then yes. However, as Kalispell has grown, the need to go to Missoula to get what you want has decreased. Folks from Kalispell also used to frequently travel to Spokane, Washington, to shop, but not so much any more. Glacierman (talk) 17:55, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Climate

The "official" climate designation seems to be continental, which it often is, but some years it is more of a Pacific coastal climate with milder temperatures and wet snow in the winter. Other years, it can be very harsh (-45 degrees F at night and lots of powder snow. Not sure whether I should add those descriptors or not. I've seen it at -45F at night in the winter (-75F on Big Mountain near Whitesfish) and over 110F daytime in the summer. It really varies from continental to coastal, and the last several years have seen more coastal weather (especially in the winter) than continental. I'd say the climate in Kalispell is "highly variable!" Glacierman (talk)

True enough, but was it this article that had it as "humid"? Which is is not. Climate change is messing with everything, but for now, I'd stick with sourceable historical patterns. NW Montana has more Coastal elements than the rest of the state, but that said, snow up to your ass on Big Mountain pretty much says it all... Montanabw^(talk) 04:26, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

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