Talk:Kamen Rider W

W

Shouldn't this have "Kamen Rider W" somewhere on it? Some might even argue this is the actual title, but... The T (talk) 15:22, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I can't really see much reason to mention it, now that the official websites by both Toei and TV-Asahi obviously transliterate it to Double and not W. Wikipedia's toku area has always gone by official spellings, even for such esoteric items as Orphnoch. I guess we could note that W was the assumed name before Double was announced, but that's original research without a legitimate media citation, which would be hard to find among fansites. And pointing out the giant W in the logo seems trivial; we don't point out how the kanji in Blade's logo is shaped like a spade. Besides, people will be able to see that for themselves when the show starts airing and we put a picture of the logo up. I think the only thing we can really point out is that the henshin belt looks like a W, but that will be easier to do once more info for the series starts flooding in and we can actually make a small section about the belt and other weaponry; right now, when all of that only has a single sentence in the article, it too seems like overkill. So I guess we would add that in, say, a month or two. Either way, nothing can really be done about the W right now. Arrowned (talk) 16:21, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

The "W" is in the kanji reading of the title. "Kamen Rider W" is not the official name. It is "Kamen Rider Double".—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 17:24, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Considering that the sites write the title as "仮面ライダーW（ダブル）" ("Kamen Rider W (Double)"), one would think it's pretty obvious that the name is "Kamen Rider W", and "Double"/"Daburu" is simply how you pronounce it. One would think. 79.136.75.48 (talk) 17:21, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

The name in the logo says "Double" just like how the kanji for "Sword" is read as "Blade" for Kamen Rider Blade.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 20:54, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

That's the English title/pronunciation. Going by the English title, you have to rename all the previous series to "Masked Rider", and change "555" to "Φ's" and "Decade" to "DCD". 79.136.75.48 (talk) 08:31, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

The name of this particular show is "Double" and the name of the previous show is "Decade" and not "DCD". "555" is something that will be fixed in the future, but it has been proven that "Masked" is not.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 09:27, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Going by the English title in Kamen Rider Decade's logo, the show's name is indeed "Masked Rider DCD". But I suppose you've only seen TV-Nihon's sub, where they've edited the word "Decade" over the original "DCD". Not sure what you're trying to say has been proven, though, since that part of your sentence doesn't seem to be proper English. JediMB (talk) 13:23, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

The name "Decade" does not come from the TV Nihon subtitles. It comes from the uses within the show itself when they refer to Decade (the logo is all that says "Masked Rider DCD", all other items in the show use "Decade" as the name) and there has been a whole discussion over the use of "Kamen" over "Masked" already.

Also it has been established by the production companies that "Double", "Decade", and "555" are the preferred translations/transliterations through their use online and in print media.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 09:39, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Every single official website says, clear as day, "Kamen Rider W", with "Double" added within parentheses (for pronunciation). It's the official name. Ignoring that would be hypocrisy on your part. (On top of that there's Toei's website URL: http://www.toei.co.jp/tv/w/.) JediMB (talk) 13:23, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

I'll also add the theme song title "W-B-X ~W-Boiled Extreme~", which is pronounced "Double-B-X Double-Boiled Extreme". JediMB (talk) 13:27, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

The character and all items within the show that have the word "Daburu" are referred to as "Double" in all official materials. Nothing is "W" except within the kanji. This is like suggesting that we go with the name "Kamen Rider Sword" because the kanji for sword is used when there are katakana readings that show that the series is called Kamen Rider Blade. Just because the Japanese use the Latin letter W to represent the word "Double" does not mean that we should do the same on the English Wikipedia. There is no need to rename this page and all related pages to Kamen Rider W, because that is not the name of the series. We are clearly given "Double" in all text on the website. Merely because the Japanese use a Latin letter in the name does not mean we should do the same. For all intents and purposes, Kamen Rider 555 could be moved to Kamen Rider Phi's under this same standard.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 21:24, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

I would like to add that the words "Double" and "W" are actually pronounced differently in Japanese. Double is da bo ru and W is do bo ru yu, so the katakana indicates that Double is the correct pronunciation, not W. 71.233.68.232 (talk) 18:44, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Chikyu no Kioku = Gaia Memory???

Are you sure that "Chikyu no Kioku" means "Gaia Memory"? As I recall, "Chikyu" means "Earth" not "Gaia". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.3.5.4 (talk) 18:58, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

"Gaia" is the Greek goddess of the Earth. Hope that answers your question. --Burai (talk) 19:22, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

If some things are the GAIA MEMORI then I think Chikyu no Kioku or "Earth Memory" also means "Gaia Memory".—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 22:22, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Characters

General info know and will be eventually confirmed.

• Akiko Narumi: Shotaro's boss at the Narumi Detective Agency.
• Mikio Jinno: A fellow detective who provides info on the Dopants.
• Ryubee Sonozaki: Mastermind behind the Dopant attacks.

Fractyl (talk) 05:48, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

New Magazine stuff

With these pix coming so soon, we should get the Kamen Rider Double (character) page started.

• CycloneJoker (サイクロンジョーカー, Saikuron Jōkā): Default form to appear in the Decade movie. Achieved with the Joker Memory (ジョーカーメモリ, Jōkā Memori) and Cyclone Memory (サイクロンメモリ, Saikuron Memori).
• HeatJoker (ヒートョーカー, Hīto Jōkā): Form achieved with the Metal Memory (メタルメモリ, Metaru Memori) and Heat Memory (ヒートガメモリ, Hīto Memori). Uses the Metal Shaft (メタルシャフト, Metaru Shafuto) as a weapon.

• Revol Carry (リボルキャリー, Riboru Kyarī): Double's base of operations that serves in allowing his bike to swapped out components with different configurations: Machine Hardboiler, Machine Hardturbuler(Heat), and Machine Hardsplasher(Luna).

• Gaia Memories: Items used with the Double Driver (ダブルドライバー, Daburu Doraibā) to enable Double to assume any nine form combinations depending the two Gaia Memories used.
  • Joker Memory (ジョーカーメモリ, Jōkā Memori) and Cyclone Memory (サイクロンメモリ, Saikuron Memori): Usually used to assume Double's default Cyclone Joker (サイクロンジョーカー, Saikuron Jōkā) form.
  • Luna Memory (ルナメモリ, Runa Memori) and Trigger Memory (トリガーメモリ, Torigā Memori): Usually used to assume Double's Luna Trigger (ルナトリガー, Runa Torigā) form.
  • Metal Memory (メタルメモリ, Metaru Memori) and Heat Memory (ヒートガメモリ, Hīto Memori): Usually used to assume Double's Heat Metal (ヒートメタル, Hīto Metaru) form.

• Weapons
  • Metal Shaft (メタルシャフト, Metaru Shafuto): Weapon used when Double assumes a ????-Metal form.
  • Trigger Magnum (トリガーマグナム, Torigā Magunamu): Weapon used when Double assumes a ????-Trigger form.

• Memory Gadgets (メモリガジェット, Memori Gajietto): Items powered by the Gaia Memories that serve like the Disc Animals from Hibiki.
  • Stag Phone (スタッグフォン, Sutaggu Fone)
  • Spider Shock (スパイダーショック, Supaidā Shokku)
  • Bat Shot (バットショット, Batto Shotto)

Fractyl (talk) 20:02, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm way ahead of you. AlienX2009 (talk) 20:51, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Your subpages are not going to be the articles, AlienX2009.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 23:04, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Why not. AlienX2009 (talk) 08:16, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Because we may have to format the articles differently now that two people are one Rider.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 08:28, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Then why don't you help me with my sub page. AlienX2009 (talk) 08:37, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

It's still not going to be the same content.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 08:52, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Then help me fix it. AlienX2009 (talk) 10:32, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

It's going to be written from scratch using the information on this page only.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 11:31, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Also, there is no way the character page should be started until the show actually hits the airwaves. None of this stuff is going to be revealed in depth in the Decade movie and we can wait until the show premieres.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 07:56, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

We got the first episode title, though tentative; The Double Factor (W（ダブル）のファクタ, Daburu no Fakuta) Fractyl (talk) 02:16, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

I've fixed the names based on information from the latest Hyper Hobby which gives English names: "KAMEN RIDER DOUBLE CYCLONEJOKER" and "KAMEN RIDER DOUBLE HEATMETAL". I believe we should utilize CamelCase as I put above.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 23:51, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Kamen Rider Double: Trailer

Kamen Rider Double Trailer. Now we can add some more light on the series to the page it seems. Fractyl (talk) 05:43, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

It does not tell us anything new. Other than the first monsters are the T-Rex and Magma Dopant.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:47, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Actually, other than showing the characters listed in the next segment below, there is the year the series takes place in.Fractyl (talk) 02:20, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

No it doesn't. The trailer talks about the next 10 years of Kamen Rider. Not "In 2019".—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 02:59, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Character info

Other then new info on the main cast, the Dopants are revealed to be humans who assume the monsterous forms through Gaia Memories.

• Akiko Narumi (鳴海 亜樹子, Narumi Akiko): Shotaro's boss at the Narumi Detective Agency, coming from Osaka to continue in her father's place after he mysteriouly dissappeared. She has a black and white view of the world and tends to say "I'm not listening!" (私聞いてない, Watashi, kiitenai) alot.
• Watcherman (ウォッチャマン, Wotchaman): Shotaro's informant for info, his real name's a mystery.
• Mikio Jinno (刃野 幹夫, Jinno Mikio): A detective working on the Dopant case, Shotaro's childhood friend whom he discusses the case with while unaware his relation to Double.
• Shun Makura (真倉 俊, Makura Shun): Mikio's rookie partner, characterized to be naïve of Shotaro's skills and a pleasant guy.
• Ryubee Sonozaki (園咲 琉兵衛, Sonozaki Ryūbee): Head of the Sonozaki Family, he uses a museum as a front for his illegal activities with Dopants.
• Saeko Sonozaki (園咲 冴子, Sonozaki Saeko): The oldest daughter. The owner of an IT company she just set up.
• Wakana Sonozaki (園咲 若菜, Sonozaki Wakana): The youngest daughter. A college student, she runs her own radio show.
• Kirihiko Sudo (須藤 霧彦, Sudō Kirihiko): The frontman of Ryuube, he sets up the selling of Gaia Memories to any criminal.

Fractyl (talk) 01:06, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Maybe it should be noted...

This the only Rider series (maybe an exception would be Super-1's bike english words, but eh) whose official English translation in the logo/title card IS NOT "Masked Rider". Originally it did said Masked Rider Double, but seems like Toei dropped it and is finally going with "Kamen". 201.127.19.61 (talk) 00:57, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Original research and trivial.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 02:22, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Original? What? o_o In the picture on the article, under the japanese kanji, it's the first time it says "Kamen" instead of "Masked". Previously it did said "Masked", though. 201.127.19.61 (talk) 02:43, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

A change in what is said in the logo is trivial.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 02:52, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

This is not a forum, so don't be offensive. I've noticed that also. But then, it seems like English-speakers are "trying to put" the word "Kamen" in their dictionary. Therefore, they want to use the word "Kamen" instead of "Masked". Otherwise, they would not used "Kamen" for their Americanised series "Kamen Rider Dragon Knight" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.48.222.4 (talk) 02:59, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

I didn't meant to be offensive, I was just saying. Quick Off-Topic, Kamen was used in Dragon Knight to avoid confusion with Saban's Masked Rider, and Wang's own hatred to the term "Masked Rider" used. Back on topic, I didn't thought of it being trivial, but if it is, oh well. 201.127.19.61 (talk) 03:10, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Let me clarify myself. Pointing out that "Kamen" has replaced "Masked" in the Roman letter names of the title card is original research and trivial. It need not be mentioned in the article at this point.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 03:55, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Understood, pardon me for thinking something that is trivial as something worth noticing. 201.127.19.61 (talk) 04:05, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Episode Zero

Surprised no one has updated the Film section of the page. The movie is called "Episode Zero". Rumor says the plot is Double's backstory, an extended version of the flashbacks we saw at the start of Episode 1. The movie Rider is called "Kamen Rider Skull". Latest scans show him using a Skull Memory, a belt that resembles the Double Driver, except it only has the right half, and a black repaint of Double's Trigger Magnum.--69.245.19.55 (talk) 18:41, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Recent materials have been stating that the film is called "Begins Night" or some variation thereof. "Episode Zero" was an early rumor that had some press, but it appears the name has changed. Until we are positive, the film is untitled.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 19:35, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

New Rider

Kamen Rider Accel (仮面ライダーアクセル, Kamen Raidā Akuseru): A red Kamen Rider with a motorcycle theme. He assumes his Rider Form when he inserts his Accel Memory (アクセルメモリ, Akuseru Memori) into the Accel Driver (アクセルドライバー, Akuseru Doraibā). Accel can assume a motorcycle form which is compatable to Hardboilder configurations.Fractyl (talk) 13:11, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

It's pronounced as Axel. AlienX2009 (talk) 14:23, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

They're both pronounced the same. However we don't know what it is going to be written as so we don't write it down until we have an official name. "Akuseru" might change between now and his premiere.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 22:04, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

New complete info:

• Rider:

Kamen Rider Accel (仮面ライダーアクセル, Kamen Raidā Akuseru) He uses the Accel Memory to transform. He can assume a bike like form called the "Accel Bike".

• Driver:

Accel Driver (アクセルドライバー, Akuseru Doraibā) He inserts the Memory in the driver and then turns the slottle to transform. He uses a "handle brake" and turns the slottle to transform. It has a motorbike handle motif.

• Weapon:

Engine Blade (エンジンブレード, Enjin Burēdo): Accel's main weapon. He inserts the Engine Memory to use a maximum drive finisher attack.

• Gaia Memories:

Accel Memory (アクセルメモリ, Akuseru Memori): He inserts this into the Accel Driver to transform. It has a meter gauge motif. Engine Memory (エンジンメモリ, Enjin Memori): He inaerts this into the Engine Blade to use a Maximum Drive finisher.

• Memory Gagets:

Beetle Phone (ビートルフォン, Bītoru Fon): The Beetle Phone is a cellular phone that switches between Cell Phone Mode (携帯モード, Keitai Mōdo) and Beetle Mode (ビートルモード, Bītoru Mōdo) with the use of the Beetle Memory (ビートルメモリ, Bītoru Memori). It looks similar to the Stag Phone, except it has a Japanese rhinoceros beetle design.

• Mecha:

Accel Gunner (アクセルガンナー, Akuseru Gannā): Is Accel's base of operations. It is similar to the RevolGarry. It can be attached to Accel's Bike Form.

AlienX2009 (talk) 02:10, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, we knew all this already. We just can't do anything with it untl the real scans come out.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 02:24, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Oh. AlienX2009 (talk) 02:41, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Popular culture within Kamen Rider W

• http://ngeekhiong.blogspot.com/2009/12/keroro-gunsou-kamen-rider-double-parody.html
• http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKNdEAXqxPk
• http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICjQGy5sweA&feature=related

So far this is what I found throughout the net (this is also a parody to Barom-1) --Punk 911 (talk) 19:20, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

• http://ngeekhiong.blogspot.com/2009/12/geara-zulu-cyclone-joker.html

Looks like there's another one --Punk 911 (talk) 00:27, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Random Gunpla does not count. The Keroro episode does though.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 01:07, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

another one from Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's

• http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck30KZQjisI

--Punk 911 (talk) 09:27, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

New names

well, a recent issue of Televi Magazine released a few names worth mentioning. first is the name to Skull's motorcycle, the SkullBoilder(Sukaruboiruda-) which uses a weapon called the UniversalLauncher(Yuniba-sarurancha-) so I think that info should be added in. also, it listed one of Accel's finishers as Dynamic Ace(Dainamikkue-su) so that might be the name for the first version of the Engine Maximum Drive, while "A-Slasher" is the second version. so I think those additions should be made 76.22.36.95 (talk) 18:45, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

I have not seen this new issue of Televi Magazine yet. The March issue does not appear to have this information. The A-Slasher is all that it mentions.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 00:40, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Ah yes here it is. Accel's Dynamic Ace is the one he used against the IceAge Dopant. And it appears it is the SkullBoilder and its weapons are the Universal Launcher.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 00:45, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

okay then. see, Ryulong? I can make helpful contributions 76.22.36.95 (talk) 01:33, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

References

Can the references please be in english?218.186.8.239 (talk) 08:50, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

It's a Japanese TV show. Why the hell would any of the references be in English?—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 10:58, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

"Kamen Rider W"

Seeing as various sources (such as film titles and album names, websites, etc.) have been using "KAMEN RIDER W" moreso than "KAMEN RIDER DOUBLE", perhaps we should rename this (and related pages) to "Kamen Rider W" rather than "Kamen Rider Double". What are our thoughts on this? The character would still be "Kamen Rider Double", but articles on the media would use "Kamen Rider W".—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 22:56, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

The media uses W because it's Japanese media. It's much easier to romanize it as W rather than Double for them. For all intensive purposes, in English it is Double, as Toei has given us. Please change back the names to Double. We should not go and change things because of the whim of others or because of the popularity of shortening a term.Ryoma-san (talk) 06:46, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

You don't quite understand. The official Japanese media have been using the name "KAMEN RIDER W" (in English) rather than the name "KAMEN RIDER DOUBLE" in English. Toei, Bandai, and TV Asahi all refer to the show as "KAMEN RIDER W". It is on DVD boxes (see the Movie War 2010 film), it is in film titles (see the Movie War Core website), it is on album covers (see the two soundtracks). It is everywhere. They do not use "Kamen Rider Double" to refer to the show anymore. It is not a shortening of a term. It is the official name of the television program and all related media. I did not get any responses, so I sought help to impliment this change.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 07:26, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

W is the corrupted form of the word "Double" which fits the letter motif in the show. Japanese media uses it because it does not make a difference to them. The name Double is still used in toys and title cards as the true English name. It's used on the S.H. Figuarts and the DVD boxes. It is the name used for the url in the website. It is much easier to type a "W" rather than the actual word when the same romanization is used for a one character letter instead of a six character word. To us, it is Double and to Japan, it is either one. Ryoma-san (talk) 18:09, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

No, W is not the "corruptd form of the word 'Double' which fits with the lettre motif in the show". It is the name of the show in English just as much as "Double" is. However, the Japanese media seem to be using "W" more often than "Double" when using English. This can very plainly be seen in the title of the new film, the title of the previous film, press from the last film, and so on. They use "Kamen Rider W" for the show and "Kamen Rider Double" for the character, and that is how the English Wikipdia is going to reflect the naming as well.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 18:36, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Of course "W is not the 'corruptd form of the word Double which fits the lettre motif in the show.'" "W" is the corrupted version of the word "double." It happens to fit the letter motif of the show, but Toei has given the English name as "Double" and not "W." This of course makes sense because of the nature of the Kamen Rider. Things not intended for English-speakers of course will not be forced to have the word "double" when it is easier to utilize a word that is simple for the intended audience and which can still make sense to the target audience. "W" is also used for the name of the Kamen Rider Double in Japanese, but if you're feeling extremist, you may as well change that. You do not seem to understand the reason for differences between the two countries, but even then, it is obvious that we were given the true name for a reason. It is not your duty to be an activist in naming a series that is already eponymous to the main character. Ryoma-san (talk) 21:32, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

"Kamen Rider W" is the official name of the television show and films when parsed into English in the Japanese media. "Kamen Rider Double" was thought to be the official name, but they do not use that name anymore. The character remains "Kamen Rider Double", though. The show (and movies) are "W". And that is what we are using on the English Wikipedia now. The letter "W" is not a corruption of the English word "double". You have not provided any sort of proof from the Japanese media that it should be "Kamen Rider Double". You are merely attacking the fact that "W" and "Double" are used interchangably in Japanese for slang.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 23:11, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Suggestive inquiry: Isn't the title "KAMEN RIDER OOO & W FEATURING SKULL" technically referring to the Riders, and not the shows? Clarification: Not that I'm objecting against Wikipedia finally accepting W for the show. JediMB (talk) 12:11, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

The "OOO & W" part is referring to the shows. Skull is being featured in the films and didn't have a show. And it is easier to have the character at "Double" because that is how the character has been referred to in English writing systems throughout the show's run.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 18:33, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

"You have not provided any sort of proof from the Japanese media that it should be "Kamen Rider Double"." Excuse me, dear sir, but neither have you provided any CONCRETE proof that it should be "Kamen Rider W". The logo for the show explicitly reads "Kamen Rider Double", so that's the name of the show. Also, the final piece of material released for the show, the Direct-to-Video release "Kamen Rider Double Returns", has the same "Kamen Rider Double" text underneath the logo, so you can't quite say that "They do not use "Kamen Rider Double" to refer to the show anymore.". - Anonymous — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.74.153.135 (talk) 18:08, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

References

Kamen Rider W Returns

Kamen Rider W Returns (仮面ライダーW（ダブル）リターンズ, Kamen Raidā Daburu Ritānzu)

Kamen Rider Accel

• Kamen Rider Accel Booster (仮面ライダーアクセルブースター, Akuseru Būsutā)
• Commander Dopant (コマンダー・ドーパント, Komandā Dōpanto)

Kamen Rider Eternal

• Eyes Dopant (アイズ・ドーパント, Aizu Dōpanto)
• Kamen Rider Eternal Red Flare (仮面ライダーエターナル レッドフレア, Kamen Raidā Etānaru Reddo Furea)

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