Talk:Kameniari

Requested move 11 March 2021

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Kamenyar → Kameniari –  

1. The main subject of this stub is Ivan Franko’s poem “Kameniari” and its legacy, not stonecutters or any Slavic words for stonecutters, as such. The poem is eponymous of other related things, like Franko’s nickname Kameniar and several organizations and publications.[1][2] It is a wp: NOTABLE subject, having a short Ukrainian-language article at uk: Каменярі (вірш). And remember, articles are generally about their subject, not its name (see wp: REFERS).
2. The most common spelling is romanized from Ukrainian with я → ia, not ya. Counting sources according to wp: SET:
   • G. Advanced Book Search results:
     • Kameniar 4,050, Kamenyar 340, 11.9 to 1
     • Kameniari 279, Kamenyari 91, 3.1 to 1
   • G. Scholar results:
     • Kameniar 1,280, Kamenyar 758, 1.7 to 1
     • Kameniari 53, Kamenyari 31, 1.7 to 1
3. The spellings Kameniari and kameniar also correspond to authoritative and widely used standards: the Ukrainian National system recommended by WP:UKR, as well as the ALA-LC romanization (omitting ligatures) which is commonly used in academic and popular-academic literature.

If consensus is against making this about the poem “Kameniari,” then at least let’s rename to the most common spelling of the Ukrainian word, kameniar. —Michael Z. 17:39, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

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