Talk:Kansai region/Archive 1

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Definition of "Kansai"

According to the Kojien, the historical definition of the term "kansai" is as follows: ①近江逢坂の関以西の地, or "The area to the west of the Oumi-Osaka Checkpoint". "Western Checkpoint" would be the exact opposite of this, as the checkpoint itself is east of the territory bound by it. I changed the definition in the article and added citation. -- Exitmoose 06:07, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't get it -- all geographical references on this "Kansai" page are really describing "Kinki". As "exitmoose" notes above, "Kansai" is a *much* larger region. It's almost as big a mistake as saying "The East Coast" when intending to speak of Main, Vermont, New Hampshire, and Mass. ("New England" being the phrase you were looking for). I could make the appropriate corrections, but the mistake is so ingrained into the article that I'm sure a lot of people would feel that their toes were just stepped on. But it's clearly wrong -- no Japanese adult would confuse the two. jfriedl Nov 27, 2007

The problem is that these terms are often used interchangeably now, and their meanings have changed throughout history. I've tried to highlight the way the terms differed historically and how they've come to mean similar things now. I'm more or less comfortable with the article as it is at the present. -- Exitmoose (talk) 02:38, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Have a look at the following Japan Wiki article for more context. -- Exitmoose (talk) 02:44, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

They are only used interchangeably if they are being used incorrectly, generally by foreigners. Every Japanese person I have ever asked about this clearly knows there is a difference, but there is some debate on what the difference is. As stated above, if you reference the Japanese Wikipedia they explain the difference.S. McIntire Allen 08:22, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

There is a difference, but the modern difference is so subtle to be almost not worth note. For one, it's wrong to insist that Kinki is a part of the Kansai region. True, by its smallest definition it is so, but as the Japanese wiki states, the definition is hardly an official or static one. I think it's best to note the subtle differences between the two terms, but to state that in most all respects the two can be treated as the same. -- Exitmoose (talk) 03:26, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Just to add, I've noticed that that section has been marked as original research. I think if we could find some sources to cite regarding the modern difference between the terms, it would make everyone a bit happier. -- Exitmoose (talk) 03:36, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Kinki is unambiguous word. Kansai is ambiguous word, the meaning of which varies from people to people. For example, Kansai is much larger region than Kinki for me and smaller region than Kinki for some people. This is the difference. Have a look at -- Japan Wiki article for Kanasi. -- Hideyuki —Preceding unsigned comment added by 113.197.192.233 (talk) 16:28, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

"west of the johnny" is vandalism. I have changed checkpoint to tollgate since that fully encompasses the purpose of customs and taxation, otherwise you might as well call it 検問所. Other views welcome provided with support. Jun Kayama 18:36, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Universities and Airports

Neither Kanto region nor Tohoku region lists every major university and airport. It really clutters what otherwise would be short, succinct article. If there are no objections, I'll cut both lists. -- Exitmoose 06:18, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

References

Hello, Exitmoose,

If you read Japanese wikipedian article, I think you will understand Takatori castle is the largest mountain-top castle in Japan. But I will try to find an English reference.--218.228.162.95 06:56, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

• reference of Daisen kofun[1]
• Japaneses reference of Takatori castle[2][3]

I don't doubt that. I removed the image because of its poor quality, not because of lack of citation. I tried to find a substitute image, but there weren't any on the Commons. Is it possible that we could get a better image? -- Exitmoose 01:30, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Ohhh, I see. I hope I will be able to get some within a year..... and Thank you for modifying too.--219.122.169.128 08:43, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Mie Prefecture

I was surprised when I clicked on a link to the Kinki Region from Mie Prefecture and it came to the Kansai article. Mie Prefecture is considered by its people and by its Prefectural Government as a part of the Chūbu region, the Chūkyō region to be precise, not Kansai (http://www.pref.mie.jp/ENGLISH/overview/e_p03.pdf ). Mie prefecture is, though, a part of the Kinki region. There seems to be widespread confusion over the status of Mie, and it probably comes down to people confusing Kinki with Kansai, and thus including Mie in Kansai. Even some Japanese sites I have seen have put Mie in Kasai, while others have Mie in Chubu. Perhaps this comes from the fact that, historically, Mie was formed from 3 old provinces, the smallest of which, Iga, was a part of Kansai, while the rest of Mie was a part of Chubu.

I've made a change to the article to cover the fact that, officially, Mie is not considered a part of Kansai, though it's inclusion in Kinki does lead to a lot of confusion. Ka-ru (talk) 03:34, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

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naa (なぁ or なー, Osaka dialect) -- One of the ten non-English words that were voted hardest to translate in June 2004 by a British translation company.

So what does it mean? What are the other nine? More info on this list, please. Garrett Albright 18:40, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Not sure it would be relevant to this article. Can you suggest a different article where it would be more germane? Fg2 01:23, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

Japanese dialects#Kinki (Kansai), perhaps? なあ is already there, actually, but its definition is vague. Anyway, it doesn't have to go in an article; you could just tell me about the list on this talk page. :P Garrett Albright 05:12, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

If it belongs anywhere, that would be a sensible place. I don't know what it means in the Kansai dialect, nor do I know what the other nine were. Sorry! Fg2 06:00, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

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