Talk:Karel Mark Chichon

Article clean up and conflict of interest

I have cleaned up this article which contained repetitive material, badly referenced, full of appalling puffery, and in places copied verbatim from past and current versions of the subject's website. The multiple reversions by editors with a clear conflict of interest, had not helped the resultant mess. If the article's subject wants to downplay his association with Gibraltar on his own web site, that is his choice. However, this is an encyclopedia article, not his web site or publicity page (although parts of it had been written as such). This reached a bizarre height, when these editors tried to remove the fact that his OBE was for services to music and culture in Gibraltar, and ultimately tried to removed the supporting reference from the The London Gazette, an official journal of record of the British government.

To editors here who have any affiliation whatsoever to Karel Mark Chichon (either personal or professional), please read Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Wikipedia:Autobiography for guidance when editing under these circumstances and follow it scrupulously. In future bear the following in mind:

1. Wikipedia is not a newsletter or bulletin board. Avoid terms like "now", "soon", "currently" and "recently" which make the article both imprecise, and in many instances, quickly inaccurate. Instead, use expressions such as "as of 2013".

2. This is an encyclopedia article, not an alternative web site for Chichon. All additions must be referenced to reliable independent sources. Future performances are inappropriate. Performances should be added once they have actually taken place and an independent reference for them can be provided.

3. All additions must be neutrally worded and use encyclopedic tone and style. Any additions which can be perceived by a neutral reader as hype or PR will be removed. See Wikipedia:Neutral point of view and Wikipedia:Avoid peacock terms for guidance.

4. Do not paste in text from your or anyone else's official websites, blogs etc. Apart from the almost invariably unsuitable promotional style, it is a copyright violation unless the sites explicitly display a free license.

5. This article will always have to conform to Wikipedia's policies on content, style, formatting, and referencing requirements – not to the subject's desired image or marketing goals.

On a personal note to the editors who have been inappropriately adding (and removing) material, I have long experience of dealing with Wikipedia articles on classical artists which have been written or extensively edited by either the subject of their agents. Trust me, the kind of PR hype that had been placed in this article actually detracts from the subject's image rather than enhancing it. Voceditenore (talk) 17:27, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Details w/o citation

Some lingering detail concerns after my edit now on KMC's page:

• All his bios mention Chichon being an assistant conductor to Sinopoli and to Gergiev, but never mention where Chichon held such posts. With Gergiev, the likely guess is the Mariinsky, but nothing obvious confirms this.
  
• I can't find any information on the Graz Symphony Orchestra, to add information to the succession box on that post. There is a Graz Philharmonic Orchestra, to be sure, but that's not assumed to be the same orchestra.
  

I also second Voceditenore's missive to people who want to turn Chichon's page into more of a publicity page. The purpose of Wikipedia is to present 'just the facts' and not be a publicity page for any individual or organisation. DJRafe (talk) 23:32, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi DJRafe. According to this 2005 programme note, he was Sinopoli's assistant at La Scala, although programme bios are not independent of the subject. I couldn't find anything re where he was assistant to Gergiev. According to this entry on musiklexikon.ac.at (the online version of Oesterreichischen Musiklexikons) which is a pretty reliable source he was of the chief conductor of the Grazer Symphonisches Orchester, but it's a fairly minor orchestra, primarily for young musicians, and associated with the Steirischen Gesellschaft der Musikfreunde (Styrian Society of Music Friends). They used to put on an annual subscription series of 9 concerts. I'm not sure of their current status. Neither the society nor the orchestra has an official website. I've also removed the names and full dates of birth of his children (and from Elīna Garanča as well). Per WP:BLP, it's not recommended for privacy reasons and I couldn't find a reliable source for the full DoBs in any case. I did add a reliable source for them having 2 daughters. Voceditenore (talk) 12:58, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

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Inappropriate edits reverted

I have reverted the following edits by an employee of the article's subject:

1. Her removal of a valid reference without explanation. This is simply the latest in her repeated attempts to remove information about the person who co-founded the Gibraltar Philharmonic Society in 1998 with Chichon.

2. The addition of what the subject will conduct "soon". The relative time construct is meaningless. Furthermore, this is not the place to post the subject's future appearances unless they have received significant coverage in independent sources. His management agency's blurb is not an independent source.

3. The blatant puffery, unsupported by an independent source that A further testament to his outstanding partnership with the DRP has been the unanimous critical success of the first album release of the complete orchestral works of Dvorák – a cycle which he will record over the next 4 years for the label Hänssler Classic referenced solely to the orchestra's page listing recordings. Unsurprisingly, it was actually copied verbatim from Chichon's official biography.

Voceditenore (talk) 12:09, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

This material was re-added verbatim today by the same editor. I have rephrased it completely and referenced to an independent source. Voceditenore (talk) 14:47, 17 February 2017 (UTC)