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Materials on bashgali
editNotes on the Bas̳h̳galī (Kāfir) Language By John Davidson
Bashgali Dictionary: An Analysis of Colonel J. Davidson's Notes on the Bashgali Language By Sten Konow
Number of speakers
edit@PhanAnh123:, regarding this: all I have access to at the moment is the ethnologue entries cited for the population figure, and they give the same figures for both the enthic population and the number of speakers: 128,000 for Kati and 18,000 for Kamviri (and that's for Afghanistan alone; there are an additional 8,000 speakers given for Pakistan). – Uanfala (talk) 13:01, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
Shekhani and Sheikhwar
editThe article Sheikhwar language was recently created. In its current form it cites two totally unreliable news items, which mention in passing a "Sheikhwar" language of Chitral without it being clear what that language is, the Ethnologue entry for Kamviri [1], whose recent version I can't access but as of 2016 its only relevant content was the listing of "Shekhani" as an alternative name for that language, and this news item, which says "Shekhani" has been used by linguists for both Kamviri and Katavari. The last statement matches what's on Glottolog, so I'm going to retarget the redirect Shekhani dialect from Kamviri dialect to the present aricle Kamkata-vari language (which covers both Kamviri and Katavari). As for "Sheikhwar", it does appear to just be another form for "Shekhani" (-war is a Khowar suffix for language names), so I'm going to turn that article into a redirect (we don't need separate articles for each language name) and point it here as well. In the interest of completeness I'll also mention Sheikhgal of Kashmir, but that's most likely a completely unrelated variety. – Uanfala (talk) 13:52, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- Some articles and linguists consider Shekhani as a dialect of Kata-vari spoken in Chitral. I believe Sheikhwar is the Khowar name for the language like you cited above. I searched up Shekhani on Ethnologue and it also said it’s a dialect of Kata-Vari. So can some change the name of the article to Shekhani language? 76.69.102.17 (talk) 15:44, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- So your proposal is to recreate the article at Sheikhwar language and then rename it to Shekhani dialect? But for that to make sense, we'd need 1) good sources that it's not just an alternative name but a distinct dialect, and 2) enough content for something other than a single-sentence definition. If all we have is a mention in Etnhologue, then we're better off just adding that information to the parent article. – Uanfala (talk) 09:01, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
- I rewrote it on Shekhani dialect. 107.127.7.117 (talk) 16:23, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- So your proposal is to recreate the article at Sheikhwar language and then rename it to Shekhani dialect? But for that to make sense, we'd need 1) good sources that it's not just an alternative name but a distinct dialect, and 2) enough content for something other than a single-sentence definition. If all we have is a mention in Etnhologue, then we're better off just adding that information to the parent article. – Uanfala (talk) 09:01, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
Dialect pages
editCurrently we have these pages: Kamviri dialect (covers the Southeastern dialect spoken in Kamdesh), Kata-vari dialect (mainly covers the Western dialect spoken in Ktivi), Mumviri dialect (covers the Southeastern dialect spoken in Mumonm), and Shekhani dialect (covers the Northeastern dialect spoken in Pakistan). I would propose renaming the dialects into these:
Kamviri dialect -> Southeastern Katë
Kata-vari dialect > Western Katë
Mumviri dialect > Southeastern Katë
Shekhani dialect > Northeastern Katë
Following from this proposal, we should also rename the article into Katë language, as that is the spelling accepted by Halfmann (2024). Kwékwlos (talk) 22:37, 24 October 2024 (UTC)