Talk:Kate Vaughan

Queries

• 1. The ODNB article confirms the names of Vaughan's other Gaiety co-stars, but not Stanley. From the archives of The Times it appears that Stanley starred mostly at the Olympia in this period, and I can find no mention of her appearing at the Gaiety. Is there a reliable source that says she did so? I've commented Stanley out pro tem.
• 2. What is the source of the statement that Vaughan was born in Toronto? The ODNB article states that she was born in London. I have left beefing up the lead until this point is cleared up.
• 3. I have replaced the info-box (which needlessly duplicated info already on the page) with two new pictures, for which there wasn't room on the page while the box was there. Is that OK?
• 4. If we can't quote a source for her place of burial, can we just remove the sentence?

That's my lot for now Tim riley talk 13:36, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Victuallers, thanks for starting this article. Good job, also, Tim riley. As to your queries: (1) Alma Stanley's article says "In 1876 Stanley became a cast member at the Gaiety Theatre..." This confirms that statement, but it does not appear that she was an important or longstanding member of the troupe; I'd delete the reference to her. (2) Oops! I beefed up the Lead before reading this. (3)Replacement of Infobox with images: Yes, good idea! If Victuallers cannot answer your questions (2) and (4), I'd go with the ODNB and removing unreferenced material. -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:19, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

i kinda prefer the infobox, with the second picture on the left, and any additional pics are in the commons category, but then i'm a well know meat-puppet for user:Pigsonthewing (hands across the water). 216.216.68.69 (talk) 19:57, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Candelon vs Candelin; Toronto?

Some sources give her name as Candelon. See Wikisource DNB 1912 Supp. The article cites: Daily Telegraph. 24 Feb. 1903. It also states that she was born in London. Aa77zz (talk) 21:47, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Both points now addressed. If evidence turns up from a reliable source that the place of birth was indeed Toronto we can change back simply enough. Tim riley talk 09:23, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

I've remove "Canadian-born" from the lead. The first para of the lead needs tweaking - too much dance - and she was a also a successful actor/actress. Aa77zz (talk) 10:38, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. The Lead now clarifies that she was also known as an actress, and I think the balance there between dancing and acting is about right now. -- Ssilvers (talk) 13:54, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

@Victuallers:, can you recall where you got the Toronto statement? I see the German WP article also mentions it, and it would be as well to get the point right. (I see a charming story in the German article about Burne-Jones and Ruskin, of all unlikely people! Jupp refers to it, but I'd be disinclined to include it: a bit tangential, perhaps. But happy to go with the consensus, natch.) Tim riley talk 14:48, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Tim: User:Jack1956 could probably track down a birth or census record for her? -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:21, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

The Toronto fact came from the de:wiki and I used it knowing? that we would find a supporting source. As we havent and I have looked and failed to find one then I'm happy that we have dropped this as it is unlikely.Victuallers (talk) 16:43, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Right ho. Perhaps we must leave it there for now, but something for the back burner perhaps? Tim riley talk 16:55, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Facts in German article on Vaughan

The German article contains a lot of info that we don't have here, including the following:

• She studied classical dance and drama at the Grecian Theatre in London. [I see that there was such a house in Shoreditch]
• At the 1873 production of Orpheus "they [who?] introduced the Skirt Dance for the first time in London's Holborn Royal Amphitheatre
• In 1876, in addition to the Gaiety, she was hired by the Théâtre des Variétés.
• The English writer John Ruskin and Edward Burne-Jones were among her admirers. The latter dubbed her(?) Miriam Ariadne Salome Vaughan.
  • If my rusty schoolboy German is not awry that four-name phrase was B-J's admiring nickname for her. St. Johnston, p. 171, confirms this pretty much verbatim.
• The burlesques in which she danced included The Forty Thieves (1880 - [by Reece?]) and Young Fra Diavolo.

The German article cites only this: Brygida M. Ochaim, Claudia Balk: Varieté-Tänzerinnen um 1900. Vom Sinnenrausch zur Tanzmoderne, Ausstellung des Deutschen Theatermuseums München 23.10.1998–17.1.1999., Stroemfeld, Frankfurt/M. 1998, ISBN 3-87877-745-0 Can anyone chase any of this down? -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:15, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

The British Library has a copy, but (see above) I in German anything but fluent am, and I'd have to be looking for something very specific to have a reasonable hope of finding it. Tim riley talk 16:19, 11 September 2014 (UTC)