Talk:Katharine Basset

Article tagged as of unclear notability

WP:Notability (people): A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of multiple published secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject. If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability.

I think Bassett meets this criteria. This article has 3 references which meet this. The guidelines go on to say that notability is not guaranteed if these mentions are 'trivial.' She has a couple of pages in Hart's The Mistresses of Henry VIII, which I think counts as more than trivial. I understand why the tag was applied, but believe she meets the guidelines. Boleyn (talk) 18:42, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

I agree with removal of the tag. Xxanthippe (talk) 21:55, 19 January 2013 (UTC).

Who is she??

No mention of Elizabeth is made by Muriel St Clare Byrne in her 6 volume work "The Lisle Letters", Chicago, 1981. She appears to be the leading expert on Honor Grenville and the Bassets. She lists her daughters by Sir John Basset as follows: "There were four daughters, Philippa, Katharine, Anne and Mary" (vol.1, p.313). She also mentioned on p.308 "a second daughter Honor", christened "sometime before June 1515". She does not refer further to daughter Honor, presumably because she died young. The "Atherington Brass" shows the effigy of Honor Grenville above 7 children, 3 boys and 4 girls. She herself ordered this monumental brass, so should be reliable (Byrne, vol.1, appendix 6 "The Atherington Brass", p.700). Apparently no letter ever received by Honor Grenville/Plantagenet from "Elizabeth Basset", (nil from Philippa, 3 from Katherine, 10 from Anne, 13 from Mary.(Byrne, vol.1, p.87)). Mystery, please try to elucidate.(Lobsterthermidor (talk) 13:46, 25 November 2013 (UTC))

I've read about Elizabeth numerous times, and as you can see there are several reliable sources in the article. However, is there the possibility that the authors have copied each other's errors in identifying Elizabeth as a daughter? Unliely, but maybe. I've added a primary source for her comments about Henry VIII. Boleyn (talk) 06:14, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, good sources. Clearly needs looking into, will do.(Lobsterthermidor (talk) 11:46, 26 November 2013 (UTC))

Real name "Katharine Basset"

Further to my above query, it is now clear that this person is actually "Katherine Basset", not "Elizabeth". Byrne's Lisle Letters makes this certain. It seems the error of referring to her as Elizabeth stemmed from modern authors being misled by her mis-appellation as "Elizabeth" in the Letters & Papers of H VIII. Article renamed, and text amended accordingly. Also, she never became a maid of honour, as Anne of Cleves divorced before she was due to take up that post (Byrne, vol.6, p.276).(Lobsterthermidor (talk) 15:15, 3 January 2014 (UTC))

From Kelly Hart's book, Elizabeth (Katherine?) was maid-of-honour to Anne when she was Lady Anne 'sister' of the King, i.e. after the annulment. Maids-of-honour were not merely for queens. Letters and Papers (the primary source which names her as Elizabeth, contain many siginificant errors in people's names. Boleyn (talk) 15:50, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, we seem to have had an edit conflict, I am now in the middle of expanding the article, when I hope all will become clear. Please make any points then, but in the meantime I hear what you say above.(Lobsterthermidor (talk) 17:02, 3 January 2014 (UTC)) Expansion now completed. Re your point above, you may well be right about title maid of honour being used otherwise than in service of a queen. I have found Byrne to be the most thorough source on Katharine, and have almost quoted verbatim from her, when she insists she was never called maid of honour. Byrne, 6, p.276: "she never achieved the coveted position of m of h as by the time she was preferred Anne was no longer Henry's wife...". Make of that what you may.(Lobsterthermidor (talk) 19:05, 3 January 2014 (UTC))

Picture

The picture shows an Katerin Bassett who was 12 years old in 1603. That`s not the Katherine Basset in the article. --Agnete (talk) 14:15, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Image removed.  —SMALLJIM  17:15, 15 November 2020 (UTC)