Talk:Keck School of Medicine of USC/Archive 1

Archive 1

when did the school move to the other side of LA?

Please add the date that the school moved locations. 66.215.4.48 21:56, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

what is the endowment?

what is it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.135.0.6 (talk) 21:33, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

COI editing

Mdraper91101 started editing this article and USC Eye Institute today and has done nothing but add promotional content. Clear COI. per recent events at Eye Institute. Jytdog (talk) 23:51, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Deaths

I find the content added in this dif creating a new section, called Deaths, and listing one person who died there, bizarre. First of all he did at the Verdugo Hills Hospital, which is not the Keck School of Medicine (part of USC) but rather is part of "USC Health" which is an affiliated healthcare service provider. Next, the guy died at Verdugo in 2004, before the hospital became part of USC Health. Finally, even if this article was about USC Health (the healthcare service provider) I am not aware of articles about other hospitals that actually have "deaths" sections where you find a WP:LAUNDRYLIST of people who died there. This is just strange. Jytdog (talk) 12:34, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Unsourced for a year

moving here, per PRESERVE

History

Established in 1885, the USC College of Medicine became the region's first medical school and the second professional school founded at USC. That same year, led by its first dean Joseph Pomeroy Widney, M.D., the school entered into an affiliation with the Los Angeles County Hospital—a relationship that still exists today—enabling students to train in one of the largest teaching hospitals in the nation.

The school’s original home was in a two-story brick building that formerly housed a winery. In 1896 the USC College of Medicine opened a modern three-story building constructed with $20,000 that the faculty had personally borrowed.

In 1932, the USC School of Medicine established an affiliation with Children's Hospital Los Angeles (CHLA). The following year, Los Angeles County opened a new modern county hospital, the Los Angeles County+USC Medical Center. The building was used for 75 years until replaced in 2008.

In 1949 the University purchased land adjacent to the county hospital, which became the nucleus of the medical campus known today as the USC Health Sciences campus.

The 1950s and 1960s saw the school emerge as an innovator by adding a Doctor-Patient Relations program to its curriculum and developing a standardized patient program—using actors to help train medical students—and creating a mannequin, later dubbed Sim One, which could simulate the physiological responses of a human body. The innovations proved highly successful and garnered much respect for the school’s developing curriculum. The standardized patient program has grown steadily in popularity and is common among medical schools today.

In 1973, the USC Norris Comprehensive Cancer Center was established as one of the original National Cancer Institute-designated comprehensive cancer centers. The campus further expanded with the opening of the Doheny Eye Institute in 1985 and USC University Hospital, now called Keck Hospital of USC, in 1991.

In 1999, the school was named the Keck School of Medicine of USC to honor a generous $110 million gift from the W. M. Keck Foundation, the largest philanthropic gift ever made to a U.S. medical school at that time.

In 2009, USC bought USC University Hospital and USC Norris Cancer Hospital from Tenet Healthcare Corporation and currently operates both of these teaching hospitals.

Notable achievements

Keck faculty have achieved a number of "firsts" for the school:

• 1969 – development of the first academic Department of Emergency Medicine in the nation
• 1970 – discovery of the first cancer-causing gene or oncogene
• 1972 – establishment of Los Angeles County's Cancer Surveillance Program—one of the largest and most scientifically productive population-based cancer registries in the world
• 1993 – development of the world’s first double lobar lung transplant from living-related donors
• 2002 – development of the first retinal implant, as part of revolutionary research to restore sight to those blinded by degenerative retinal diseases
• 2010 – development of HIV-resistant blood stem cells

Affiliated hospitals and practices

Aerial shot of the LAC+USC Medical Center

Hospitals and clinics include:

• Keck Hospital of USC, a private, 400-bed acute care hospital staffed by faculty of the Keck School of Medicine of USC.
• USC Norris Cancer Hospital, a 60-bed inpatient facility affiliated with the USC Norris Comprehensive Cancer Center.

-- Jytdog (talk) 06:48, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

extra images

storing here - too cluttered now

USC Norris Cancer Hospital

Eli and Edythe Broad CIRM Center for Regenerative Medicine and Stem Cell Research at USC

Aerial shot of the LAC+USC Medical Center

-- Jytdog (talk) 06:57, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Sources for history etc

• Girion, Lisa (11 February 2009). "USC buys 2 disputed hospitals on campus". Los Angeles Times.

-- Jytdog (talk) 07:18, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

class of 2010

User: Samrajah the following is a) a few points of data about one class, and not encyclopedic- no contextualization of any kind; b) sourced only from their website, and WP is not a webshost

Admissions

The Class of 2020 had a median MCAT score of 35 and GPA of 3.7 at admission. 76% of the 186 students that comprise the class are from California.

References

- Jytdog (talk) 19:07, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Close paraphrasing

Hi, I'm relatively new to Wikipedia, so I'm still learning everything. What is the OTRS tag at the top of the talk page, what does it mean, and does it justify close paraphrasing of content on keck.usc.edu? Thanks, Icebob99 (talk) 16:36, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a webhost for anyone, including the subjects of articles. Please read WP:NOT and particularly the WP:PROMO and WP:NOTWEBHOST sections. Please use independent sourcing. Jytdog (talk) 18:42, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

@Jytdog:Got it. Out of curiosity, what does the OTRS tag mean? I can't find any essay or explanatory article. Thanks, Icebob99 (talk) 18:46, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

OTRS is a system for people to contact WP "off line" - see WP:OTRS. What is specifically going on above, is that somebody at USC give permission for Wikipedia through the OTRS system to duplicate specific copyrighted text from USC's website in this article. People who have access to the OTRS system can go in there and verify that this is true, via the ticket number in the notice. Am not sure what that content was at the time the permission was given and it is not useful anyway, per my reply to you above. Jytdog (talk) 18:53, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Okay, that makes sense. Will start editing the history section to remove the close paraphrasing. Icebob99 (talk) 18:56, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

I removed it. It was obviously sourced from the USC webpage; that website exists to promote the school. You will not find a single negative thing in that version of the history of the school, and you will find all kinds of Great!! things. Wikipedia articles should be based on independent, secondary sources. Not the website of the subject of the article. Jytdog (talk) 19:03, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Which isn't to say that you can't use the school's website. Sometimes it's the only source that exists for particular claims. But agree that generally secondary sources are preferred. Esrever ^(klaT) 23:20, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Yep but it is a bad idea to source a whole section from such a non-independent source; there is no way the resulting content will satisfy NPOV. Jytdog (talk) 23:32, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Good explanation. Thanks. Icebob99 (talk) 13:40, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Should USC Health info be in this article?

I see some back and forth editing about what constitutes USC Health, but should that paragraph even be in this article? I think instead there should be a separate USC Health article. Timtempleton (talk) 05:30, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

more and more med schools are branding themselves as clinical institutions which is an interesting trend... and they are doing things like buying medical practices and hospitals and rolling them into their physicians organizations. i think that is primarily about financial survival. the distinction is getting less, not more. Keck has done this as well; there is actually no independent website for the hospital - it is only discussed at the med school's website.

The back and forth was not about that, but rather about the fundamental issue of providing reliable sources for WP content. This article and related ones have been subject to relentless promotional editing over the years and I watch them closely. Jytdog (talk) 05:35, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Yes indeed - smart alumni will always turn up when their legacy is involved. The USC Health info still seems too detailed to be in this article. In terms of sources, if something noncontroversial is stated using a primary source, I'm not against adding the info, just not using that source and instead adding a citation needed hatnote. A note on the talk page (or even in the edit summary) clarifying each corresponding fact that's added would seem to suffice. Timtempleton (talk) 15:49, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

it is fine now - in my last edit i sourced it. Jytdog (talk) 16:27, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

San Diego location

Hello, User:Jytdog. Your edit summary was ridiculous. It might explain one thing: why no note here on the talk page. Yesterday's news from USC was good enough for UPI. I spent a good deal of time trying to locate the institute until I found it at the source that I cited. Kindly restore my edit. Thank you. -SusanLesch (talk) 23:14, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

This article has been subject to relentless promotional pressure. One way we maintain articles at a respectable level of quality is to rely on independent sourcing. (and btw, if you try to add content about that research to WP using that UPI source it will be removed swiftly. Please see WP:MEDRS) Jytdog (talk) 23:36, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Oh! There is actually an interesting story behind this. Took me like 30 seconds to find it. Adding content now. Jytdog (talk) 23:44, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Misc question

Any idea what the student population enrolled is? This would be good for the page. Coachbricewilliams28 (talk) 21:27, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

a year later? No one? Coachbricewilliams28 (talk) 20:57, 5 February 2019 (UTC)