Talk:Keezhadi excavation site

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Tamil Nadu state Chief minister, Shri. Edappadi K. Palanisamy laid down the Foundation stone for Keezhadi Museum of Archaeology, which is going to be world class one.- by News channel.Helppublic (talk) 03:49, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Not reliable without peer reviewed archaeological reports

Where are they? Doug Weller talk 14:34, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Ramakrisha et al 2018

@Joshua Jonathan:, @Doug Weller: Sir he does say that, i will add some examples it here. Everything i added to this page is here. I also added images that this study talks about such as terracotta pipes and such.

Excavations at Keeladi, Sivaganga District, Tamil Nadu (2014 ‐ 2015 and 2015 ‐ 16), Ramakrishna et al 2018. http://www.heritageuniversityofkerala.com/JournalPDF/Volume6/2.pdf

About pipes and drains. Adding few examples from the study here.

• "Here the important find was the presence of a row of terracotta pipes (Figure 10) fitted one into another in south at a depth of 2.25 meters (YF4/2, 3). The northern end of the pipe was found to be slightly broken but certainly joined with the hemispherical red ware pot kept at the mouth level. The opening of the pipes on the other end also seem to have been fitted or joined with multiple big storage pots kept one above the other" (PAGE 50, first paragraph).

Same thing was said in media.

• "A careful examination of the construction pattern of the pipes with associated pots on either side indicates that some sort of fluid material was processed from one end to other. It may be noted here that this process might have started at the southern end from the multiple pots and discharged through the pipes finally collected in the hemispherical pot kept at the northern end." (PAGE 50, second paragraph)

• "The area immediate to the west of terracotta pipes yielded more elaborate structural evidences. Two tanks like structures associated with intricate overlapping brick channels deserve mention."(PAGE 51, first paragraph)

About water management, tanks, channels and "elaborate drainage system" with terracotta pipe channel, etc. Only adding few examples here but there is more on this in the study.

• "This evidence was ascertained below the brick tank at a depth of 1.80 meters from the ground level. The structure found in the form of a disturbed covered brick drain in east west orientation taking a turn towards south. The turn of the drain was attained by placing a dressed brick. The southern end of the drain was left open without any cover on the top." (PAGE 52-53)

• "The construction pattern of the drain showed the base was laid first with clay mixed with sand followed by placing two bricks horizontally for its side and covered by a single course of brick on the top. With a gap of 0.30 meters further below the covered drain was traced yet another covered drain emerged diagonally from south west and running towards north east direction. The brick size of this drain differed in dimension measuring 39 x 24 x 7 centimeters. The occurrence of these structures at a lower level raises the possibility of some other structure stood in the place of the brick tank which at a later stage was dismantled leaving the associated drains in disuse"(PAGE 49)

• "The gap in between the two tank like structures displayed elaborate drainage system for the first time at the site. Two types of channels viz., covered brick channel and terracotta pipe channel were found close to each other. The overlapping channels clearly demonstrated different period of construction overlapping with one another. The lowermost covered drain was found at a depth of 1.80 meters to the east of second tank like structure. Here the orientation of the covered drain originated from northern section." (PAGE 54)

• "Thereafter this channel was put to use to discharge processed material within the same brick tank on the south. This channel also at a later stage went into disuse by constructing a lengthy wall found in the quadrant YE4/1 connecting with the first tank on east. In between the wall and little below the second channel was traced yet another disturbed terracotta channel with four pipes in crushed state. Similar to that of the nearby two brick channels the mouth of the terracotta pipes also extended towards the tank on south. The extant length of the terracotta pipe measured 2.10 meters." (PAGE 55) 117.198.113.74 (talk) 22:59, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

This is also reported in media 117.198.113.137 (talk) 18:57, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

I had also added some recent images i could find on wikipedia of this archaeological site. Some of the artifacts were also on display at bookfair in city of Chennai according to this news. "Book fair to display Keeladi artefacts, sand sculpture" 2020 https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/book-fair-to-display-keeladi-artefacts-sand-sculpture/articleshow/73145859.cms These images should be included if possible. 117.198.113.74 (talk) 02:48, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

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  Archaeological remains and artifacts of Keeladi 2020.
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  Archaeological remains and artifacts of Keeladi 2020.
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  Example of clay pipes from archeological site on displayed 2020.
• Game pieces from archeological site on display 2020.
  Game pieces from archeological site on display 2020.
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  Archaeological remains and artifacts of Keeladi 2020
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  Archaeological remains and artifacts of Keeladi 2020
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  Discription about structure on display 2020
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  Description about agrarian society 2020
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  Exposed clay pipes visible in archeological site 2020 (similar image is also in RamaKrishna et al 2018 on page 51 "Figure 10: Exposed Terracotta Pipes")

Hi IP117. Thank you for your extensive and detailed reply. First: would you mind creating an account? It's more personal, and ik keeps your contributions together. Regarding my comment "not in Ramakrishna (2018) diff:

• 1. You changed diff

Epigraphist V. Vedachalam, who served as a domain expert for the excavation, dated the excavated remains between 6th century BCE and 3rd century CE.

into

Epigraphist V. Vedachalam, who served as a domain expert for the excavation, dated the excavated remains between 6th century BCE and 3rd century CE.

References

Yet, The Wire doesn't mention Vedachalam at all, while Ramakrishna (2018) does not refer to this dating.

• 2. You added

Water supply and wastewater are considered as important landmarks of civil development. [Ramakrishna (2018)]

Where does Ramakrishna (2018) make this specific statement?

• 3. You reinserted the following statement, without improving the source:

At the bottom of the settlement, there are buildings with a sewage canal facility made of ceramic tubes. According to archeologist R. Sivanandam "Each terracotta pipe had a five spiral-like projections at regular interval on its outer surface and looks like spiral-shaped terracotta pipes. The pipes fixed perfectly mouth to mouth suggest that they might have used to carry or drain water or any other liquid item"

References

• 4. You added Ramakrishna (2018) to the following statement:

Some terracotta pipes appeared to feed into a strategically placed pot which in turn was placed on top of another pot.<ref>Ramakrishna et al. 2018"

References

Check; Ramakrishna (2018) makes a similar statement.

Regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 06:21, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Dating and sources

Moved from User talk:Tirukodimadachengunrur

 – Better to discuss here. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 08:28, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

@User:Doug Weller can we use below reference?

• 1. Luc LAPORTE, Jean-Marc LARGE Laurent (20220, Megaliths of the World - VOLUME 1, Archaeopress Publishing Ltd, p.547
• 2. K. Rajan (2021), Recent Radiometric Dates and Their Implications in Understanding the Early Writing System and Early Historic Archaeology of Tamil Nadu. In: Man and Environment XLVI(1): pp. 57-86 [2021], Indian Society for Prehistoric and Quaternary Studies
• 3. Himanshu Prabha Ray, Salila Kulshreshtha, Uthara Suvrathan (2021), The Routledge Handbook of Hindu Temples: Materiality, Social History and Practice, Taylor & Francis
• 4. Raghavan Srinivasan (2023), Indian Cities: Ancient and Medieval, Hachette UK

Tirukodimadachengunrur (talk) 06:35, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

@Doug Weller:, Tirukodimadachengunrur (talk) 07:02, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

End of copied part Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 08:28, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

@Tirukodimadachengunrur and Doug Weller:

• Megaliths of the World: seems to be reliable
• Recent Radiometric Dates: I don't know, but there are standards for academic journal (not my area of knowledge); here's the site of the journal
• The Routledge Handbook of Hindu Temples: Routledge is okay
• Indian cities: dountfull; looks like a popular print, not a scholarly publication.

Regards, Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 08:43, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

First 3 ok I think. 4th, he's not an expert so no.[1]. Doug Weller talk 09:10, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the suggestion Tirukodimadachengunrur (talk) 10:46, 9 August 2024 (UTC)