Talk:Keiji Nishioka

Things left to do

@TryKid: If you see this, as I know you will, here are some things I'm still not satisfied with. See what you can do about it.

• I've deliberately not included the date when Nishioka got the Druk Thugsey medal, because some sources say he got it in 1990 while some others say it was given posthumously in 1999 with his wife collecting it.
• Pictures. I have yet to find a single picture of the man that is clear, copyright-free and is not the cover of a book. Or we'll have to resort to Fair Use again.
• That's it, really. See what you can do to improve it. Oh, and add the marriage date for Satoko in the infobox (with that underlined "m.", idk how to do it and I need to sleep...)
  

Regards, Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI ^{converse | fings wot i hav dun} 17:53, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

@Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI: I came across Dasho after reading two reviews of the book "Dasho Keiji Nishioka: A Japanese who lived for Bhutan", those reviewers give the date of Druk Thugsey as 1999 (posthumously) so the book probably has that date too. So 1999 is probably the correct date but we can't be sure so it's probably best not to include it until we have confirmation. About the pictures, I don't think we're going to get a copyright free picture of Dasho as he died in 1992, free use is probably the only option. I've added the marriage template (that infobox column is now overflowing a bit on my mobile but that probably doesn't matter). Regards, TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 19:13, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Also, the Chorten and the Museum built in his memory are two different things. They may have been built around the same time at the 50th anniversary of Japanese cooperation with Bhutan in 2014, causing the confusion. this Facebook post seemingly refers to them as two different entities. A JICA newsletter confirms that the Chorten is located at National Seed Center which the JICA President visited, while the Museum is located at Agriculture Machinery Center and was inaugurated by the JICA President. TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 22:19, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

In this tweet, Tenzing Lamsang, the editor of The Bhutanese, corrects his Facebook post (which gave Druk Thugsey date as 1990) to say that he actually got it posthumously in 1999 and his wife collected it. So, the 1999 date perhaps really is the correct one. Regards, TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 10:08, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

BTW, feel free to move it to mainspace whenever you think it's ready. TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 11:21, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 18:50, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

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• ... that Keiji Nishioka, a Japanese botanist, was the first foreigner to receive the Bhutanese honorific Dasho? Source: "In 1980, he became the first and only foreigner to be conferred the title of "Dasho" (an honorary title given to high-level government officials) in recognition of his outstanding contribution." Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Japan

Moved to mainspace by Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI (talk) and TryKid (talk). Nominated by Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI (talk) at 07:59, 5 October 2020 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Lajmmoore (talk) 11:27, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

• Hi, I came by to promote this, but the article is an WP:ORPHAN. Please link it in at least one other Wikipedia article so it won't get an orphan tag. Also, can you indicate whether he graduated from Osaka Prefecture University? Yoninah (talk) 19:28, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

• Yoninah, I've deorphaned the article. I haven't seen any sources specifically state that he "graduated", just that he was "educated at the Osaka Prefectural University". Regards,TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 16:31, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

• Thank you. Restoring tick per Lajmmoore's review. Yoninah (talk) 17:45, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Keiji Nishioka/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Gerald Waldo Luis (talk · contribs) 17:37, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

As part of handling the Agriculture, food, and drink part of the GA nomination, I will be reviewing this article. Note that my time zone is UTC+7. GeraldWL 17:37, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Lead

• Link Dasho. GeraldWL 17:43, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Not needed. I've linked it in the infobox. I've deliberately left out linking it in his name, in the style of all articles I've seen for British knights - see Winston Churchill and M. Visvesvaraya. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI ^{converse | fings wot i hav dun} 00:56, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI, appreciate the bolding. I was about to point out articles like David Attenborough. GeraldWL 08:21, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

@Gerald Waldo Luis: As I clean up the prose section by section, could you check the other aspects in GA Review? OR, COPYVIO, RS, image use, stability etc. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI ^{converse | fings wot i hav dun} 09:07, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI, images are appropriate, article has stable recent history, no ORs, all sources are great, and no copyright violations. I would note, though, that some statements have two citations supporting it-- I suggest relocating to the specific claim(s) it supports if that is appropriate. GeraldWL 11:53, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Don't think that's needed. I went through those again, in every instance, they only support the line immediately preceding them. So no problem there. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI ^{converse | fings wot i hav dun} 15:47, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI, in "Awards and titles," the first sentence is supported by three citations. Did a check, and apparently citation 10 is already enough to support the whole sentence, per quote: In 1980, His Majesty the fourth Druk Gyalpo awarded the red-scarf and conferred the title of Dasho to him in recognition of his selfless and dedicated services to the people of Bhutan in the field of agriculture development. Suggest removing 8 and 9. GeraldWL 16:04, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Done, Gerald. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI ^{converse | fings wot i hav dun} 16:18, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

• Link Japanese government. GeraldWL 17:43, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Done. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI ^{converse | fings wot i hav dun} 00:56, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

• Link Bhutan. GeraldWL 17:43, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

It was already done. Just look, Kingdom of Bhutan is indeed linked. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI ^{converse | fings wot i hav dun} 00:56, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

• Link agriculture. GeraldWL 17:43, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Done. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI ^{converse | fings wot i hav dun} 00:56, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

• Unitalicize the "s" in "dzongkhags," and link dzongkhag. GeraldWL 17:43, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Done. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI ^{converse | fings wot i hav dun} 00:56, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

• Suggest combining para 1 and 2, no need to give line break. GeraldWL 17:43, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Done. @Gerald Waldo Luis: please proceed. Regards, Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI ^{converse | fings wot i hav dun} 00:56, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Early life

• Suggest adding ", South Korea" after "Seoul" following many other biographies. GeraldWL 08:25, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Same with "Osaka"-- have ", Japan". GeraldWL 08:25, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Done. Added Japanese Korea instead, as the country was not partitioned into North/South at the time. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI ^{converse | fings wot i hav dun} 09:07, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

• Link agriculture. GeraldWL 08:25, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

See below

Life in Bhutan

• "one of Nishioka's professors at the University in Osaka"-- if this is not referring to University of Osaka, I suggest decapitalizing "University." GeraldWL 08:27, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Changed to the unambiguous term Osaka Prefecture University. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI ^{converse | fings wot i hav dun} 09:07, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

• Link Bhutan. GeraldWL 08:27, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
• Link Agriculture in Bhutan at "its agricultural sector." GeraldWL 08:27, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Don't think that's needed. All of agriculture, Bhutan and Agriculture in Bhutan are already linked in the lead. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI ^{converse | fings wot i hav dun} 09:07, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Zhemgang

• New words "Panbang" and "Kheng." If there's an article on them, suggest linking. GeraldWL 12:00, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Done. Panbang linked, Kheng (the region) doesn't have an article. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI ^{converse | fings wot i hav dun} 13:02, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

• "converted from forest"-- maybe "converted from a forest"? GeraldWL 13:46, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Not needed. It's generic forest that's being referenced, not a particular one. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI ^{converse | fings wot i hav dun} 15:21, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

• Link wetland and paddy field. GeraldWL 13:46, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Done. Tweaked that sentence a bit, saying both 'cultivated wetland' and 'paddy field' in a sentence is redundant. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI ^{converse | fings wot i hav dun} 15:21, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

• Link Fourth five-year plan of Bhutan. GeraldWL 13:46, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Done. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI ^{converse | fings wot i hav dun} 15:21, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

• "creating Sonamthang village"-- suggest "creating the Sonamthang village for more natural reading flow. Ignore if simply Sonamthang is preferred linguistically. GeraldWL 13:46, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Tweaked the sentence. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI ^{converse | fings wot i hav dun} 15:21, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

• If the list of villages have a link (or interwiki link if you can), perhaps link them. GeraldWL 13:46, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

No wikilinks found, sorry. Not even for Sonamthang. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI ^{converse | fings wot i hav dun} 15:21, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

• Link cash crop. GeraldWL 13:46, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Done. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI ^{converse | fings wot i hav dun} 15:21, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

• Is it "foodgrains" or does it require a space? Cause there's food grain. GeraldWL 13:46, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Both forms are fine. I've left it as it is, as in my experience, I've always seen it as a single word. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI ^{converse | fings wot i hav dun} 15:21, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

• Link suspension bridges. GeraldWL 13:46, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Done. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI ^{converse | fings wot i hav dun} 15:21, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Awards and titles

• Link civilian award. GeraldWL 13:46, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Can't. The page that civilian award links to is ridiculous. Bhutan doesn't have its own page for its awards either. Linked 'civilian' instead. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI ^{converse | fings wot i hav dun} 15:21, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Death

• Forgive me if I don't know anything, but what do you mean by "He was survived"? I've seen this statement in other articles as well and am confused. GeraldWL 13:46, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

The term is he was survived by. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/be_survived_by explains it. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI ^{converse | fings wot i hav dun} 15:21, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI, thanks for linking the Wiktionary. All these times reading bios I'm like What? This f***bag is resurrected? GeraldWL 15:52, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Lol, understandable. You see, the dead guy isn't the one doing the surviving, it's his relatives. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI ^{converse | fings wot i hav dun} 15:54, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

• Link state funeral. GeraldWL 13:46, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Done. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI ^{converse | fings wot i hav dun} 15:21, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Legacy and commemoration

• Link sahib. GeraldWL 13:46, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Done. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI ^{converse | fings wot i hav dun} 15:21, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

• "it is known as the Nishioka zam"-- perhaps clarify what "Nishioka zam" meant-- suggest having a footnote with the translated meaning, or some other way. GeraldWL 13:46, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Kinda done. I don't have any formal sources I can add in the article, but from context and from here, zam seems to mean 'bridge'. I've included the translation in the prose. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI ^{converse | fings wot i hav dun} 15:21, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

• If relevant, link Bhutan-Japan relations at "cooperation between Japan and Bhutan." GeraldWL 13:46, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Done, I added it in a new 'See also' section. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI ^{converse | fings wot i hav dun} 15:21, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI, the see also section is kinda vague. The two can be linked right at the body, at "its agricultural sector" and "bilateral relations between Japan and Bhutan" (Life in Bhutan), respectively. Linking at the prose where possible is more space-efficient. GeraldWL 15:56, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Done. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI ^{converse | fings wot i hav dun} 16:04, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Infobox

• Caption reads "Keiji Nishioka in July 1989." In style of other articles, suggest ommiting "Keiji," as the full name is identified at the infobox header. GeraldWL 13:46, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Done. Gerald Waldo Luis anything else? Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI ^{converse | fings wot i hav dun} 15:21, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI, in "Life in Bhutan", there's "The Prime Minister (Lyonchhen) of Bhutan." Is Lyonchhen the Bhutanese of Prime Minister? If so, suggest italicizing. If no, suggest contextualizing. GeraldWL 15:57, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Done. Italicised. Lyonchhen is indeed the word for 'Prime Minister' in Dzongkha, the Bhutanese national language. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI ^{converse | fings wot i hav dun} 16:04, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Overall

After all issues above have been addressed, I'll put this up for GA. GeraldWL 14:14, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI, and it has passed. Congrats! I love this article being nominated for GA, because its prose (especially the Death section) is short and dynamic, which shows new editors that as long as notability is qualified and you write it with genuinity, even short articles can be a good one, and can even stand out among larger ones. GeraldWL 16:23, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Gerald, thank you! I'm glad that you seem to have had at least as much fun as I did editing about a relatively obscure Japanese botanist who worked in Bhutan and has been dead 28 years. Short-ish articles definitely need more recognition - they can, with the right kind of work, be like the London Beer Flood article, which is an FA. Cheers and best wishes, Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI ^{converse | fings wot i hav dun} 16:31, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

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