Talk:Kenneth Dart

Poorly Researched Claims/Quoting Bill Clinton

The original version of this page improperly relied on a satirical blog as a source. The Bill Clinton Daily Diary (http://www.billclintondailydiary.blogspot.com/) is not material actually written by President Clinton. As a result, the material taken from this blog has no place as a source on Wikipedia. Tbenzinger (talk) 20:43, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

User:Tbenzinger's deletions of significant parts of the article is an example of whitewashing in WP. Solid information that is part of the public record is being suppressed in WP because it may not show the subject in the most favorable light possible. WP, however, is not intended as a hagiography. Specifically,

1. Bill Clinton comments are a historical record simply by the fact that comments of an ex-president about his tenure as president have historical value. He specifically indicates that that it was him who was upset about the proposed Dart consulate in Sarasota and vetoed it, not somebody in the State Department as User:Tbenzinger wants us to make believe. (see Bill Clinton: Kenneth Dart, citizenship, and Tax havens, http://billclintondailydiary.blogspot.com/2005/02/kenneth-dart-citizenship-and-tax.html, archived by WebCite® at http://www.webcitation.org/6NiEaRq5u) The fact that ex-presidential reminiscences are part of the historical record certainly supersedes concerns that this may have been done in the form of a blog. If User:Tbenzinger tries to tell us that these comments were not made by Bill Clinton but are falsifications, proof of this would be important and should be supplied.
2. Kenneth Dart is a well-known vulture fund investor whose actions affected the economy of a number of countries. Why was that information deleted? Ekem (talk) 14:18, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Hello, ekem. From what I can tell, User:Tbenzinger improved this page by removing your citations that pointed to a satirical website as if it was fact. That was quite clearly an error and required deletion. I tried to also strengthen this page by toning down some of the more controversial rhetoric and using terms that are more in line with Wikipedia's standards (i.e., "sovereign debt investments" instead of the loaded term "vulture fund". Thanks for the contribution! JonWallas07 (talk) 16:34, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Did you just register WP today so you can "correct" this page and delete information? Ekem (talk) 21:53, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Ekem, I tried to improve the article by cleaning up your writing and focusing the material more on the subject of the page. I did not delete any factual information. There is already a page on Vulture funds; this is not the place to include your definition of that term. I will not make another edit at this time, but it may be worth it for you to take another pass at this content. JonWallas07 (talk) 18:59, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

There is a difference between a general sovereign debt investor and the vulture fund investor. Your proposed change fails to grasp the difference.Ekem (talk) 12:27, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

I'd just like to respond to User:Ekem here. I think it should be clear, after the round of edits I just made, that my intent is to strike an unbiased tone. My first edit was largely geared towards removing the satirical quotes attributed to Bill Clinton as authentic. While I cannot prove a negative, I think any fair-minded and sober reading of that "Bill Clinton Daily Diary" site can only lead to the conclusion that it is fake. It is absurd to assume a former president would use Blogspot to publish content in any capacity. Tbenzinger (talk) 22:13, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

After reading some more of the blogs of the "Bill Clinton Daily Diary" I have to agree with you that it is questionable that the "Diary" has been authored by Bill Clinton and should not be included in the article. Ekem (talk) 13:10, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Removal of skeleton infobox

Removal of skeleton infobox as per WP:MOS (Wikipedia:Manual of Style (infoboxes)): “The most important group to consider are the casual readers of Wikipedia, who will never do any significant editing. Infobox templates that contain many blank fields, question marks and unknowns present an unprofessional appearance, diminishing Wikipedia’s reputation as a high-quality encyclopedia.” Quis separabit? 21:55, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

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