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Semi-protected edit request on 21 November 2021

• Change article title to Kenosha Riots:
• the use of the term unrest is heavily biased and misleadingly minimizes the degree of violence and destruction during the nights in question:

Unenlightened centrist (talk) 07:03, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

References

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Aoi (青い) (talk) 07:05, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Attack in Waukesha, Wisconsin

event They are connecting this with Kenosha locally. Unsure if connected, but something to watch. Lightburst (talk) 23:56, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

We already have provocateurs on Twitter "just asking questions". Leave this out until we have definitive info. EvergreenFir (talk) 01:03, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

I started a stub at Waukesha car attack. As of yet there's no connection to Kenosha aside from both happening in Wisconsin. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:27, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

user:EvergreenFir def, no plans for me to add anything. But horrible. I live 15 min away Aerial view and street. Lightburst (talk) 01:55, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

@Lightburst: I'm on the other side of the state myself. Definitely horrible. EvergreenFir (talk) 01:57, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Neither article should mention the other unless the events are shown to be linked. Jim Michael (talk) 12:20, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

The word “Unrest” change request

The word “Unrest” does not adequately nor factually describe events. A more definitive phrase would be “domestic terrorist”. Please make a change to the word unrest that is valid to the actual events that occurred. 2600:1700:60F0:8120:D0DD:21DF:C968:7F5A (talk) 11:30, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

I've not seen it described that way in reliable sources EvergreenFir (talk) 16:42, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

It's unusual for us to have unrest in the titles of articles about riots. Jim Michael (talk) 16:49, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

The Kenosha unrest page is linked from List of riots. There is a section titled "Protests and riots". There are multiple descriptions of arson and vandalism, deployment of the National Guard, and police reports of looting. A state of emergency was declared. I don't understand what unbiased purpose is served by using the word "Unrest" in the article title. It certainly isn't a requirement on Wikipedia to be reserved in such judgment: consider for example the contemporaneous 2020 Minneapolis false rumors riot. 174.93.70.56 (talk) 00:36, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Agreed; it must be changed. Dictionary.com defines "unrest" as "lack of rest; a restless, troubled, or uneasy state; disquiet: the unrest within himself. Disturbance or turmoil; agitation". Those are woefully inadequate for describing mobs (with some armed participants) torching hundreds of cars, dozens of buildings, hundreds more windows being broken, dozens of people being assaulted, two being killed, police being attacked, National Guard troops being deployed and a state of emergency being declared. I think that it's safe to say that if the "demonstrators" responsible for this mayhem had been say, Proud Boys or other violent idiots on the Right, the WP article on it would not describe it as "unrest". This was a riot. Bricology (talk) 11:50, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Also agreed, this title sounds very weird and like a very forced euphemism that doesn't reflect what has been shown in the news and in countless of video footage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8109:1A3F:C906:1B3E:A064:38E6:3B39 (talk) 21:08, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Currently, "Kenosha protest" outnumbers "Kenosha riot" about 7:1 in Google News searches. "Unrest" is something of a compromise. About a year ago (see the archives) there was strong consensus against "riots". Firefangledfeathers 22:52, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

• As others have said, based on past discussions, if it ends up changed at all it would likely be to "Kenosha protests", which at this point is clearly the WP:COMMONNAME. But it's gone back and forth several times, so that change is probably not going to be considered for a while until we have more long-term sources to go by. (I suspect the article will end up at "Kenosha protests" eventually, though, based on the direction of current sources and coverage.) --Aquillion (talk) 04:18, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 November 2021

You need to change protesters to rioters, they were participating in a riot not a protest and why isn't the title Kenosha unrest self-defense shooting. 2603:9001:5901:A8CF:E820:D75D:B516:7232 (talk) 23:02, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:08, 26 November 2021 (UTC)