Talk:Kerwin Danley

Danley makes calls with eyes closed

Hey so guess what. It's true that I think Danley is the biggest fail to call a baseball game, but I sourced that third section in his article so hard it cant be removed. So while you know that it is my opinion, it is also fact. So cry a freakin river if you want, its not going anywhere. And congrats to Mr. Danley for failing on sports' biggest stage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by YerYeller (talk • contribs) 12:15, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

It's not appropriate for Wikipedia. Air your grievances elsewhere, please. Mr. Darcy talk 15:20, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

I disagree completely. It's appropriate for Wikipedia insofar as he made two very controversial calls that potentially altered the outcome of a World Series game. The controversial calls were discussed at length by the announcers during the broadcast, were discussed on various sports shows including ESPN's SportsCenter after the game, and were the subject of multiple newspaper articles including, but not limited to, the the articles posted on Major League Baseball's official website to which the revision cited. It deserves to be discussed as much as any other controversial MLB playoff incidents - for example, Steve Bartram (Wikipedia page created wholly unsourced three days after the incident) or Jeffrey Maier. In fact, this incident is arguably more encyclopedic than these others, as the game was a World Series game and the center of the controversy was a caused by an on field official. Furthermore, Ed Hochuli's Wikipedia page references the controversy surrounding his recent officiating mistake. The simple fact is that this is news and that, for whatever reason, you don't want to allow it. This wouldn't open the door for all entries of controversial plays - just those that are so blatant that several non-biased articles are written about them and they are the subject of much discussion (like the Hochuli incident). I request that the page be restored to YerYeller's version.

{{editprotect}} request declined. The arguments above don't support notability ... and it seems rather likely that you're the same user who was just blocked for his edits here. Mr. Darcy talk 00:55, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

{{Editprotected}}Let's leave this up to someone who isn't you. Or, you can actually answer the argument instead of just denying it. Your choice, Darcy. Tell me how it's different from Hochuli, Bartman, Maier, etc.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Jgb11 (talk • contribs) 01:31, 25 October 2008

No response from me but you should consider WP:NOT#NEWS, WP:RECENT, and WP:Other stuff exists. DoubleBlue (Talk) 02:12, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

I still don't see the difference between this and Hochuli. In fact, much of the discussion there centered around the fact that it was a regular season game, and not a playoff or season ending game. Well, this is a World Series game. Again, I'm not suggesting that every bad call be mentioned, but these were two big one in a big game. At the very least, it deserves discussion, which MrDarcy is unwilling to engage in. This is one of the most notable events in Mr. Danley's career and deserves mention.--Jgb11 (talk) 03:46, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

And just to be clear, my Hochuli reference is not an "Other stuff exists" argument. Merely a direction to a similar situation which arose, was discussed at length, and was ultimately decided in favor of including a description of the controversy. The criteria which ultimately led to inclusion there is present here.--Jgb11 (talk) 03:53, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Not done: {{edit protected}} is not required for edits to unprotected pages, or pending changes protected pages.

Notability

Is there a notability guideline for umpires? I'm not entirely sure this person needs an article at all; the fact that reliable sources mention him regarding the World Series game doesn't address WP:BLP1E. Umpires aren't like athletes, are they? Or are they automatically notable just because they're major league umpires? --barneca (talk) 19:53, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

So because an umpire isn't an athlete that makes him non-notable? I don't think so. The guidelines we have developed at WP:BASEBALL state that an umpire is notable if they "have served as a Major League Baseball umpire on a regular league staff." —Borgarde^talk 12:13, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Don't get in a snit, it was an honest question. I didn't know about the WP:BASEBALL guidelines, now I do. --barneca (talk) 15:12, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Guidelines are just that - guidelines. Not policies. And the one cited above appears to be a wikiproject guideline, so it likely hasn't received much attention from the greater community. If Danley doesn't meet the general notability guideline, he'd certainly be fair game for a deletion nomination, at which point someone could bring up the WP:BASEBALL guideline as a non-binding argument in favor of notability. Mr. Darcy talk 03:19, 26 October 2008 (UTC)