Talk:Kevin Barry (song)

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As the author of this ballad is unknown may we safely add the words to the article? PatGallacher (talk) 19:38, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

I tried doing that some time ago and got a message saying the text was copied and pasted from an external internet source (presumably one of the many websites carrying the lyrics) and hence posed copyright problems. As you say, there shouldn't be a problem with this since the author of the ballad has never been known. Of course, wikiquote might be a better place for the full lyrics (with a link here) if anyone knows how to set that up?ANB (talk) 12:53, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

This is a composite of some version I have heard sung or read, feel free to tweak it. I have removed one likely copyvio. PatGallacher (talk) 13:22, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Just doing a search, some sources claim that the words were written by a Terrence Ward. Anybody know more? The tune is, I believe, traditional, also known as rolling home to Thursday Island, dear old Swansea, Bonnie Scotland, Nova Scotia, and probably a few other places. PatGallacher (talk) 13:30, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for adding the lyrics! In Donal O'Donovan's biography of Barry, he says that Barry's family (O'Donovan himself was a nephew of Barry) tried to find out who had written the song when it became popular in the 20s. All they could find out was that it was written by an Irish emigrant in Glasgow. I've never heard the Terrance Ward connection before, the main source for it seems to be a Clancy Brothers record sleeve - I wonder where they got that information from? Shall go have another dig in O'Donovan's book. ANB (talk) 14:39, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

If there is uncertainty about this issue then this implies that nobody is actively claiming copyright, even though the song has been widely performed and recorded over the years. PatGallacher (talk) 01:51, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I had another look in O'Donovan's book and it seems Terrence Ward, who was a journalist for the Irish Press back in the day, did write a song about Barry. However, it's an entirely different song to this well-known one and I suspect that's where the confusion comes from. Looks like things are clear as far as copyright goes. ANB (talk) 16:25, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

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