Talk:Keyser Söze/GA1

Latest comment: 8 years ago by NinjaRobotPirate in topic GA Review

GA Review

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Reviewer: Koustav Halder (talk · contribs) 17:31, 27 March 2016 (UTC)Reply


Hi there. I'll be reviewing this article to see if it meets the GA Article criteria. -- Koustav talk to me! 17:28, 27 March 2016 (UTC)Reply

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Concept & Creation

You could consider a better alternative citation for John List such as this. Koustav Halder (talk) 07:23, 28 March 2016 (UTC)Reply

  • After some browsing I find this section still lacks considerable necessary information that should incorporated at the earliest.
For Instance consider: Spacey met Bryan Singer at a screening of the director's first feature, Public Access, which won the Grand Jury Prize at Sundance in 1993. Spacey liked the movie so much that he told Singer he wanted to be in whatever he made next.(ref ). Söze was written with Kevin Spacey in mind,(ref ) as McQuarrie was of the opinion  "he was lesser known at the time. I wanted the audience to dismiss him as a minor character.”(ref )

My point is this section needs to be expanded with more relevant information. A quick search threw up this much, detailed analysis should bring up more. Koustav Halder (talk) 07:41, 28 March 2016 (UTC)Reply

  • This isn't a Featured Article, and it doesn't have to be comprehensive. Per WP:WIAGA, it only has to address the main aspects. The article already addresses most of this, but I can emphasize it. I don't think where Spacey and Singer first met is a necessary information about the character Keyser Soze, but I suppose it's harmless to add. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 21:50, 28 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
Fictional History
  • Link "Customs Agent" (1st para) with United States Customs Service, "FBI" (1st para), "drawing" with facial composite (last para).
  • Link only "Devil", not "the Devil" (3rd para).
  • As per WP:QUOTE and MOS:FICT, you will need to provide a citation for the quote "The greatest trick......". The present citation (Ref 6) shows this quote has been paraphrased from the works of Charles Baudelaire. You need to provide a citation that shows this quote occurs in the movie.
  • The sentence "Neither McQuarrie nor Singer realized this at the time and included it after hearing others paraphrase the quotation" (3rd para) is irrelevant to this particular section. This should rather be kept as a note if not edited out.
  • "Cerebral palsy" (1st para) is highly specific. Most secondary sources I have encountered say Kint is either "disabled" or "limping" etc. Having taken occasion to go through the primary material, I find this is not explicitly supported by the primary source either. This should either be replaced or a reliable source must be added to support this fact. The same applies to "paralysis" (last para).
  • Edit out "even" from the following sentence "Once his family is buried, Söze targets the Hungarian Mafia, their families, friends, and even people who owe them money" (2nd para). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Koustav Halder (talkcontribs) 07:34, 29 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
Reception/Legacy
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  • Question: have there been any negative or mixed reviews of the character?Koustav Halder (talk) 06:53, 1 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
    • The film got negative reviews, most notably by Roger Ebert, but it's usually the twist ending that gets criticized. One could argue that Keyser Soze is the twist ending, but that's an argument a reliable source would have to make. There certainly are sources that say the film itself is overrated, but I've never seen any that say the character is. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 08:51, 1 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
  • Most of text in this section refers to the mid and long term impact of the character, judging by the sources. What about the immediate reception of the character, at the time this movie came out? You could add a few sources (the reviews of the movie might help) that illustrate this. A new sub-section dealing with this might additionally be created. Koustav Halder (talk) 01:51, 2 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
    • There are already a few quotations from contemporary reviews, such as A. O. Scott. I could add even more, but it would start turning into fluff – content added for the sake of expanding the article to an arbitrary size. A GA doesn't have to be long or excessively detailed; it just has to satisfy the criteria of WP:WIAGA. You're right that the article can expanded further, but I think it's already detailed enough to pass. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 07:36, 2 April 2016 (UTC)Reply

Final assessment

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Pass. Good work in responding to various comments.

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose, no copyvios, spelling and grammar):   b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):  
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (reference section):   b (citations to reliable sources):   c (OR):  
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects):   b (focused):  
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:  
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:  
  6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales):   b (appropriate use with suitable captions):  
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail: