Talk:Khanate of Sibir

Dating start point

There are many inconsistencies with the timeline throughout the article. While the inconsistencies may also be present in the histories we actually have, that needs to be represented, especially in regard to the section about Taibuga. I've set the beginning as "1420/1428" but there needs to be some more work, especially in regard to the Taibugids as the 1420/28 point seems to be the beginning of Shaybanid rule of the area, the Taibugids may precede them by a decade or two. 131.123.50.3 (talk) 20:01, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Should I remove the "Conquest by Russians" section?

I'm considering this as it is empty and I feel it is too similar to the "Conquest of Sibir" subsection.--77Ravin77 (talk) 07:20, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

"Conquest by Russia" Empty

There is no text on this section. Is this a joke? --181.166.86.83 (talk) 05:43, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

khanate's name(s)

The title of this article should be "Khanate of Sibir", with a reference to the "anachronistic title" (if necessary) "Siberia Khanate", which I have never seen or heard. The name of the city given here as "Qashliq" should be "Sibir", which it is always called everywhere; see my discussion page on the page "Qashliq."

• 'Nowhere' is nonsense, e.g. on 'the people of the Red Book' both the forms Siberia khanate and khanate of Siberia ARE used. [[1]]. Furthermore, the khanate "lived on", ionically, as part of the Russian imperial full style Fastifex 08:43, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

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On and Chingii

Howorth: History of the Mongols, S. 1062 had a good Explanation: On is Ong, the ruler of the Kerait and Chingii is Dschingis. Thats a short version of the events of 1203. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.170.159.77 (talk) 11:04, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Mongol or Turkic?

Did rulers of the Khanate of Sibir speak Mongolian language? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luuzan (talk • contribs) 14:19, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Map

Don't delete this note: "The Khanate was probably smaller than the yellow area". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gecary (talk • contribs) 08:29, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Is there a source for this statement? Khestwol (talk) 19:31, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

There is no requirement for there to be a map in the article. There is however a requirement for a map and all other information to be referenced. Since this is map is not supported by any source, it's against Wikipedia policy to keep it in the article. Kostja (talk) 20:33, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

If I had to guess, the previous map was based at least partially on this map from the Soviet encyclopedia World History, and erroneously included all of the land shaded in dark green in the territory of the khanate. I created a revised version based on the borders delineated in the World History map and added it to the article. It's not perfect, but it's at least an improvement. Ro4444 (talk) 20:45, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

That's a link to a weird Russian porn site, Ro4444. Or perhaps it's decayed. Mind sharing a better link? --68.7.32.217 (talk) 11:41, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Well that's a hell of a case of link rot. I've replaced the link with a Wayback Machine archive of the page. Ro4444 (talk) 00:14, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

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Edit War

Hey @Kaiser86sd: @Татарин116: - I notice that there's been a something of an edit war on this article for a good while now. As you may know, Wikipedia's policy is that edit warring is prohibited; if two editors can't agree on the content of an article, they should discuss the argument on the talk page. I'd encourage both of you to use this page to try and make a determination on which is the more accurate map to use here before making any further changes to the article itself.

For the record, I was the author of the file that ‎Татарин116 keeps reposting; that was based on this map originally published in the Soviet Encyclopedia in 1957. The reasoning for using that version was that a source for the original file could not be found at the time, but I also don't claim to be an expert on this subject and I'm sure there may be alternative sources that could provide a different picture of the extent of the khanate.

Let me know if there's anything I can do to help settle this dispute; hopefully a consensus can be reached. Ro4444 (talk) 18:54, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

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