Talk:Kiandra Snow Shoe Club
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editUser:Clarkenorman, shouldn't the title be all caps, "Kiandra Snow Shoe Club"? If so, I'll get an administrator to fix it. User:HopsonRoad 17:32, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
- Suggest waiting on better documentation about this club's history. --Cornellier (talk) 04:40, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
- There's enough here for a stub article, Cornellier, and the initial name was clearly the "Kiandra Snow Shoe Club", according to reliable sources. The initial author was apparently not familiar with WP:MOS and WP:Reliable sources. User:HopsonRoad 14:20, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
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Please change the name of this article to "Kiandra Snow Shoe Club" (capitalized first letters), which is its documented name. Viz:
- Neubauer, Ian Lloyd (August 25, 2011). "The Long Run: Australia's Storied Ski Heaven". Time. Time, Inc. Retrieved 2015-12-27.
--User:HopsonRoad 18:05, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
- Not and admin, but moved the page. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 09:01, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
Search tool for Australian newspapers
editFor those interested in searching for more material on line, the National Library of Australia has a web utility, called Trove. Here are results for searching on "Kiandra ski". Sincerely, User:HopsonRoad 23:02, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
Reliable sources to support 1861 founding claim?
edit@Erik den yngre: It seems to me that these two sources suffice to support the claim that this club was founded in 1861:
- Editors (August 20, 1935). "Snow Sports—Kiandra Pioneer Club". The Sydney Morning Herald. Sydney. p. 11. Retrieved 2016-01-02.
{{cite news}}:|last=has generic name (help) - Tredinnick, Mark (2011). Australia's Wild Weather (Illustrated ed.). Canberra: National Library of Australia. p. 155. ISBN 0642277230. Retrieved 2016-01-02.
Logically, with organized skiing documented at the time of 1861, it's fair to say that some type of organization was occurring. Whether the club was "first" is debatable, since the austral winter comes after the boreal winter. It seem fair to say that it was "one of the first" ski clubs, all founded in 1861 by Norwegians. What do you think? Cheers, User:HopsonRoad 14:27, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
- The 1935 Sydney Morning Herald from 1935 the club is 65 years old which puts the founding at 1870. I'd like to take this opportunity to point out that Wikipedia is not the Guiness Book of World Records and perhaps editors' time could be better spent than hashing out what borders on trivia. --Cornellier (talk) 15:27, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
- I think it is fair to say that sources are inconsistent but it was one of the first known ski clubs. Then perhaps end the discussion there as Cornellier suggests. More interesting (from my perspective at least) is that the club or skiing activity there was actually initiated by Norwegian gold miners that had few years earlier introduced skiing in California. While some kind of skiing has been done in northern Eurasia for many thousand years, modern skiing was introduced in Australia, America and central Europa by Norwegians. Henrik Angell's story is fascinating, he introduced skiing in Montenegro. --— Erik Jr. 16:46, 16 January 2016 (UTC)