Talk:Kickback (finance)

Move

This needs to be placed back at Kickback as the primarytopic at some point. — LlywelynII 06:18, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

I was thinking that, but Im not sure that is the case. Metallurgist (talk) 08:15, 15 August 2025 (UTC)

Requested move 15 August 2025

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved to Kickback (finance). Because evidence of primary topic was not shown, a DAB was preferred - the replies here then favored "(finance)" over "(financial)", which is in line with our typical naming standards. A future RM could possibly address the WP:PTOPIC issue if anybody finds suitable evidence. (closed by non-admin page mover) ASUKITE 15:06, 22 August 2025 (UTC)

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Kickback (bribery) → Kickback (financial) – This isnt always bribery and sometimes is a simple financial transaction, albeit usually illegal. The reason I am RMing this is because it might impact a large number of pages, otherwise I would WP:BOLD. Its also worth considering if this is the primary topic. Metallurgist (talk) 08:17, 15 August 2025 (UTC)

• Support or move to primary: Yes, the word sometimes refers to legal cost offsets such as rebates or similarly structured volume discounts or sales commissions. For example, a company may get a kickback at the corporate level from a vendor if its employees order a lot of goods or services from a particular vendor (e.g. an airline or hotel chain or car rental company or an office supply vendor). The word is often defined as having a frequent connotation of secrecy and unlawfulness, but does not always imply illegality. The financial meaning seems primary to me. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 15:59, 15 August 2025 (UTC)

  I was thinking that as well actually, but you worded it better. Financial would be more inclusive of those usages. I think bribery is too restrictive, when there could be "secrecy or unlawfulness" but it isnt bribery. Metallurgist (talk) 19:08, 15 August 2025 (UTC)

• Move to Kickback. The only real possibility of ambiguity is Recoil, and that can be addressed via hatnote. 162 etc. (talk) 16:37, 15 August 2025 (UTC)
• Support move per nom and BarrelProof. WikiNav and Massviews don't support making this the primary topic for Kickback and no other evidence is presented. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 23:27, 15 August 2025 (UTC)

If not primary, I suspect it should be "finance" or "business" instead of "financial". The adjective form is bothering me. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 00:16, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

A noun would usually be better, but I'm not sure which. Kickbacks can occur in, for example, government and not just the domains of 'business' and 'finance'. 'Financial' works as an adjective because it covers all of these domains. Maybe this is an IAR where we use the adjective because it's the best fit, maybe there is a more inclusive noun, or maybe one of these is fine. Thoughts? --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 00:31, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

I think finance is fine, in line with my thought, and includes government (eg Ministry of Finance). Metallurgist (talk) 04:02, 20 August 2025 (UTC)

I am fine with finance. Metallurgist (talk) 03:58, 20 August 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for showing those tools. Ive been looking for something like that. Metallurgist (talk) 04:08, 20 August 2025 (UTC)

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