Talk:Kidnapping of Charley Ross

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Alias of Lucky Luciano

This link: https://infamousnewyork.com/2015/05/14/lucky-luciano-at-the-waldorf-astoria-301-park-avenue/

indicates that Charles Ross was the name under which he was registered at the Waldorf. I am guessing that this might relate to the kidnapped child -- same sort of dark joke mentioned in this article about the convention.--Jrm2007 (talk) 23:42, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Regarding missing status

There has been a recent edit (diff) on this article trying to address the current status of Charley Ross having been missing for 147 years, stating that he is probably dead. It was done non-constructively and messed up a template so I reverted it but I was wondering if the article needed to be changed since it's almost certain that Ross is dead by now. I have no opinion, I just thought it might be worth bringing this up since it is a bit odd to see "Missing for 147 years" in the infobox. Satricious (talk) 05:28, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

IMO, "Missing" applies to alive and dead people. No body = missing. David notMD (talk) 20:36, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Updating DNA evidence of Gustave Blair's claim!

I started months ago to write a Wikipedia article on Nelson Miller, aka Gustave Blair, aka Charley Ross. I was told there are 2,700+ new articles waiting for review when I attempted to submit one. I discovered dozens of scammers online offering to create a Wikipage but didn't fall for it. I located 4 certified Wikipedia editors (on Wikipedia) who told me they would charge several thousands of dollars to publish it for me, one quoted $20,000. Another said Wikipedia does NOT publish original research so I was wasting my time. I was told since I'm personally involved in the edit (I did the research) it constitutes a conflict of interest and therefore is not publishable. So, read the Aftermath and the last statement on the subject. Who, if not me, can publish the DNA study that corrects the legal record of the Charley Ross disappearance? So I decided to simply edit the Aftermath to reveal that DNA proves Gustave Blair was in fact a Miller, Nelson Miller. He could not have been Charley Ross. I discovered editing is complicated and soon tired out from reading all the "help" links, rules, format issues, etc. So I thought I would reach out here to any experienced editor interested in helping me correct history on this webpage. My study will be published in Myths and Mysteries of Pennsylvania this year. The author needed our research published to include it so I published it on a webpage. I'd like to get this corrected on the Charley Ross Wikipedia page. Any one interested? Rod — Preceding unsigned comment added by RodMil612mpls (talk • contribs) 19:04, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

That sounds like original research which we cannot use, the simple fact of publishing something on your own website does not make it useable or reliable? Theroadislong (talk) 20:41, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

I appreciate your response to help me figure this out.  This is complicated for me and and you can see I’m way over my head.  I have new respect for Wikipedia’s high standards and for the validity of its content but for me, it’s frustrating I can’t correct one sentence in the Charley Ross page:  “Blair's claim has occasionally been reported as false, as descendants said DNA testing showed he was actually a man named Nelson Miller. However, no official testing results have ever been reported or released.^[11”  And the reference -  *"2 Unsolved Decades Old Missing Children Cases" on YouTube  I am the Miller “descendants” she reports as not releasing the evidence.  I don’t get it.  YouTube is a reliable source of information but my well researched document edited by two published authors is not because it’s published online?  The person who posted this statement took a comment I made in a blog and put it in her YouTube video and then published it here.  But I can’t correct it or provide the evidence?   The DNA evidence that disputes the false claim of Gustave Blair that he is (was) Charley Ross is not publishable on Wikipedia because it’s never been published?  I mentioned in a different thread our research will be published in Myths and Mysteries of Pennsylvania (Kara Hughes - book #2 in her series) next fall.  Her editor required our evidence be published so we created a website to publish it.  The editor accepted our URL as the reference for the DNA results.  I posted here hoping to find an experience and reliable editor interested in the Charley Ross story to do it for me, but alas, maybe it’s not that easy.  You've edited here so I thought you would be interested in this development. I have no personal gain or self-promotion in mind, just publishing the results of 12 years of research that corrects history. So, what’s my next step to delete once sentence in the Charley Ross Aftermath and replace it the new content?  Any help you can offer is very much appreciated! Thank you! RodMil612mpls (talk) 13:55, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

I removed a sentence and the Youtube ref, as an unreliable source. As for adding content, yes, must first be published. Your blog/website not sufficient. David notMD (talk) 14:07, 9 March 2022 (UTC)