Talk:Kifri

Kifri is not a part of Sulaymaniyah governorate, and it's not officaly a part of Iraqi Kurdistan.

Kifri is not a part of Sulaymaniyah governorate, and it's not officaly a part of Iraqi Kurdistan. Beshogur (talk) 17:23, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

It is officially incorporated, but disputed by the Iraqi federal government. See The map of estimated population of Sulaimany governorate in districts level -2015, Kurdistan Region Statistics Office. Rob984 (talk) 08:59, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

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These are very clear POV-edits.[1]. First of all, the statement with the Turkmens making up most of the remainder is untrue. The remainer is almost equally divided between Arabs and Turkmens. Secondly, the Minority report reference does not even state how significant the Turkmen population is. Thirdly, I removed the category due to consistency. You were actually the one removing the category pertaining to Kurds in the Tuz Khurmato article for the same reason (even though the Kurdish population there is bigger)[2]. --Semsûrî (talk) 15:15, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

1) If my first statement happened to be incorrect, you can remove this with reasoning and correct it.

2) The minority report doesn't need to state how significant the Turkmen population is - it states there are Turkmens living in Kifri, which is enough of a credible source, as I stated there are Kurds, Turkmens and Arabs living in Kifri. I never said Turkmens were the majority as I don't believe they are and I don't have a source that says such. Your edits are quite POV, as you removed the Turkmen name, Turkmen category and removed all sourced information which clearly indicated there are Turkmens who live in the town. Me stating they also live there alongside Kurds is not POV.

3) The category should remain as it means there is a community of Turkmens living within the town. It doesn't mean they are a majority and does not indicate anything about how big that population is.

4) The Kurdish settlement category is not applicable to Tuz Khurmatu as it applies the settlement as a whole is Kurdish, when the numerous sources state it is mostly Turkmen populated. A much more appropriate category would be Kurdish communities. You also claim Tuz Khurmatu is mostly Kurdish populated which is definitely POV and untrue, as numerous sources on that page say otherwise. Unless you can find a reliable source stating they are currently the majority, my argument stands. --3Oh Hexelon (talk) 15:23, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

If the Turkmen population is significant enough, the category should definitely be added. But a reference is needed before you add it. That is the main point. The Minorityrights reference cannot be used for this, nor can it be used for a statement like this one It is home to a mixed population of Kurds, Turkmens and Arabs.[6]. If the Turkmen population is small, I don't see the point in having it mentioned. --Semsûrî (talk) 15:36, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

They are definitely significant enough. You previously had your own source https://www.aa.com.tr/en/politics/iraqi-kurdistan-recognizes-turkmen-language/105405# which stated Turkmen would be an official language where their population was at least 20 percent, with Kifri meeting this requirement. It should be kept in the article so we can recognise the multiple communities living in the town. I will add this source into the article. --3Oh Hexelon (talk) 15:41, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

I removed that reference because it pertained to Kifri District which because of the inclusion of surrounding villages could have a larger Turkmen population and thus misleading and not appropriate. --Semsûrî (talk) 15:43, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

It should still be kept as it signfies, along with multiple other sources, that there is a Turkmen community in the town. You seem adamant to remove this and I have explained that this is not fair. William R. Hay in his book "Two Years in Kurdistan" also noted that Kifri had a significant population of Turkmens. The page should be more inclusive in my opinion so we can improve the information about Kifri. One word and one source mentioning the Turkmen population in Kifri is only more informative and should not be deleted. --3Oh Hexelon (talk) 15:47, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for making the necessary fixes. We need more of this type of collaboration of Wikipedia where we can voice concerns and agree on where to fix them. Good job. --3Oh Hexelon (talk) 15:58, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

No problem. --Semsûrî (talk) 15:59, 18 October 2020 (UTC)