Talk:Killing of Minoo Majidi

Rename

@Star Mississippi: Hi. According to the sources and the video of the moment of the shooting, this person was killed by the armed forces during the suppression of protests in the street. WP:KILLINGS flowchart tells it should be moved to the name of Killing of Minoo Majidi. -- Mahan (talk) 09:37, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi! Do you think it's controversial enough that a talk page discussion should happen first? No opinion, just asking. If you can't perform the move, happy to do so on your behalf if you feel there's consensus. The AfD seemed to settle that her death was notable, rather than her as a person, but didn't make the killing/death decision. Star Mississippi 12:15, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

My opinion is that it is not controversial because there is no doubt about the way she was killed, but I wanted to make sure first that you are okay with this. This case is very similar to the killing of Neda Agha-Soltan. --Mahan (talk) 14:13, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks @Mahan. I'm fine with this. My close was meant to reflect that the name change had happened. I'll amend it since it's confusing. Thanks for raising it. Star Mississippi 14:19, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. To be sure, I will wait for another 3 days and if there is no argument in opposition, I will moving the article to new name. --Mahan (talk) 06:34, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

WP:KILLINGS is only an essay and is very much US focussed, where there's at least some chance that security forces can be convicted for killings that are not directly approved or ordered by a government (federal or state level), and there's usually heavy and intense media coverage. For extrajudicial executions commanded by states in much of the world (including those ordered by the US federal government), legal convictions are rare, and in many cases there is only weak media coverage. Using euphemisms for deliberate killings by states is not the best way of avoiding systematic bias. The current articles related to extrajudicial executions of ordinary citizens protesting for their civil rights do not have to follow suggestions from an essay that is based on a different part of the real world to the one relevant here.

The title extrajudicial execution of Minoo Majidi or extrajudicial killing of Minoo Majidi would be quite long, but justified by the sources, which present the killings as arbitrary killings by the security forces, not legitimate self-defence. Iran is party to the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights#Parties to the Covenant, so arbitrary killings of civilians in protests are illegal under Article 6 of the Covenant. The sources for the killing of Minoo Majidi give no hint as to the possibility of the killing being legal. Until/if someone provides a legal-type claim (e.g. a quote from an Iranian court) that the killing was legal, extrajudicial execution of Minoo Majidi would be justified by the sources. Boud (talk) 12:17, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

To add to article

Basic information to add to this article: how she was killed. By beating, shooting, or some other way? 204.11.186.190 (talk) 14:49, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Read the article, it's already there. WWGB (talk) 00:06, 5 November 2022 (UTC)