Talk:King's Scholar (Westminster School)

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This article needs to he fixed to King's Scholar. Will check it again in a little bit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HarcumGVA (talk • contribs) 06:12, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 13 September 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: move. UtherSRG (talk) 20:05, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

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Queen's Scholar (Westminster School) → King's Scholar (Westminster School) – Title changed upon Queen's death HarcumGVA (talk) 06:28, 10 September 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 08:40, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Steel1943 (talk) 18:32, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

@HarcumGVA: Can you provide any sources confirming this name change, especially considering there are no sources for this in the article at the present time? Just because the reign changed from a queen to a king doesn't de facto mean that this subject is getting a name change. (For example, see Her Majesty's Theatre.) Steel1943 (talk) 17:59, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Absent information to the contrary, I would take the statement in the article text at face value with respect to the article's title, unless we plan on removing that paragraph. Graham (talk) 07:28, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Just because something changes it's name doesn't mean the old name isn't still the WP:COMMONNAME. Perhaps this should go to a full WP:RM discussion? -Kj cheetham (talk) 18:33, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

It's true that a name change doesn't ipso facto make something the WP:COMMONNAME, but I don't think this is a case of WP:COMMONNAME versus WP:OFFICIALNAME. It's a case of whether the content of the title is true – the reality is there is no Queen (regnant) to issue a scholarship. Graham (talk) 02:43, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

The article doesn't talk about the current situation. This should go to WP:RM as it has the potential to not be uncontraversial. -Kj cheetham (talk) 10:36, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

One source is "Westminster School" by John Carleton (pub 1965) which states "The King's Scholars' title varies with the Sovereign of the day, and the alternative 'Queen's Scholars' has been used in this book wherever appropriate to describe the forty Foundationers in College". 195.69.214.13 (talk) 14:21, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

I think the "Queen's" in the name refers to Queen Elizabeth I (not the same queen who sadly passed on Thursday), so nothing has changed. Dr. Vogel (talk) 02:34, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

What makes you think that, given the paragraph in the article that addresses the scholarship's name? Graham (talk) 02:44, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

You're right. I retract my comment above. Dr. Vogel (talk) 03:23, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

@HarcumGVA, Graham11, Kj cheetham, and DrVogel: Ping current participants. Steel1943 (talk) 18:34, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

• Support – As noted in the article, the title changes to reflect the gender of the Sovereign upon a demise of the Crown. Graham (talk) 04:25, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

  Completely correct this should be moved Sashavansteenis (talk) 13:27, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.