Talk:Kingdom of Fez

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The Kingdom of Fez didn't actually exist. Sure it was the capital of Moroccan rulers out times, but they didn't call themselves the King of Fez. Garbon 18:28, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

The name is in common use in Western historical sources; I added Wattasid sultanate which is also appropriate. Western sources also refer to an earlier kingdom of Fez, founded by Idris I in 789. --gribeco (talk) 19:18, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

In the other hand, the "Kingdom of Fez" was also the name given to a subdivision of Morocco under the Marinid, Saadian and Alaouite dynasties. In fact, it refers to northern Morocco.

Note that the infobox's map doesn't show the Wattasid sultanate but the northern part of Alaouite Morocco (the vice royalty of Fez) alongside with the Kingdom (or vice royalty) of Marrakech and the Kingdom (or vice royalty) of Tafilalet (the Sus being more to the south isn't represented on this map).

Omar-Toons (talk) 16:56, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

About the Kingdom of Fez under the Alaouite dynasty: The map below shows it as the northern part of Morocco, as one among the four "States of the King of Morocco"

This confirms that this article is an OR with Bokpasa as the quasi-unique contributor.

Omar-Toons (talk) 10:30, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Coming in to this discussion much later, but I'm not sure either that the topic as it stands merits its own page. Something like the "Kingdom of Fez" might be referred to in some sources because Fes was the capital of the early Idrissid state and at times it was ruled independently from other parts of Morocco due to competing rulers or regimes in different parts of the country, but none of these constitute a continuous entity that is distinct from the topics of "Morocco", "Idrisid Dynasty", "Fez, Morocco", or various sub-topics of the History of Morocco. For what it's worth, I support deletion. Robert Prazeres (talk) 19:55, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Hey @Robert Prazeres: I've just noticed this discussion. I support Delete or Redirect (the same thing applies to Kingdom of Sus) to Morocco. The article is based on outdated 18th c./19th c. material. The weird thing is that the majority this article's editors were socks/sockpuppeteers (Bokpasa, Omar-Toons, JovanAndreano, Soupforone, etc). -TheseusHeLl (talk) 05:39, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Noted. Perhaps the best solution is a blank-and-redirect? I'm not sure if more discussion is even needed at this point. Robert Prazeres (talk) 19:40, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

@Robert Prazeres: Redirect to Morocco or History of Morocco? -TheseusHeLl (talk) 00:11, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

@TheseusHeLl: Good question, I'm not sure what's best. My gut feeling says Morocco, since it seems like Kingdom of Fez is intended as a geographical reference. But I don't think I would object to other options. Robert Prazeres (talk) 04:37, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

nah lol, good lie tho

especially the fake map, out of the tens of the maps, you chose that one specifically

which most show how small kingdom of morocco and fez were like, but hey

good one BeatBall YT (talk) 13:29, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Refer to the General Treaty between Her Majesty and the Sultan of Morocco in 1856(Anglo-Moroccan Treaty) .. It clearly states “the Sultan of Morocco and Fez” indicating Fez and Morocco being different kingdoms of the greater Moroccan(Moorish) Empire. Not something taught in modern school systems but these are the facts. Dagreatc13 (talk) 05:08, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

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