Talk:Kingdom of the Suebi

User:Srnec/Suevic Kingdom of Galicia

There may be some information in the above link that is not captured here. If anybody wants to take a look, or edit the text in my subpage, go ahead. Srnec (talk) 16:19, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

wrong map

I think the map should be removed or changed somehow, due to two reasons: it is mixing the Suebic Kingdom with Galicia/Galiza Kingdom (for example, Asturias or León were part of the former but not of the latter), and the extension of the Basque People which is totally wrong, covering parts of Cantabria which have not been Basque ever . I think that the Visigothic Kingdom never comprised the Basque Lands (even nominally), either, as it is suggested in the map. It´s all rather messed up and anachronistical.--Xareu bs (talk) 07:52, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Toponyms/ Place Names

I put the link of the Portuguese city of Gondomar, bigger and more closer to a region where the Suevi more settled, and to Braga, their center (not the only region, obviously, between the various historical Suebic areas of Galicia, Portugal etc., all important in their setting, but eventually a higher center of "colonization"). I kept Baltar connecting to the Galician municipality (for the same reasons and for greater vision of both countries), despite the Portuguese parish being too close to this center (The corresponding Galician ones are also near the border of this portuguese region curiously). I think however that a link of both names to disambiguation pages would be more correct - and for better and more information to readers on both names and all identical names in Portugal and Galicia etc.. --LuzoGraal (talk) 00:02, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi. Actually, as can be consulted in the history of the article, I wrote that section back in January of this same year. I left the toponyms first linking to the disambiguation pages, but after receiving a warning -"too much disambiguation links, baby"- I mechanically link everything to my personal closer experiences, a mistake which was later corrected by yourself. But apparently its not only me: the edition which changed the 'status quo' was not mine, but another's: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Suebic_Kingdom_of_Galicia&oldid=478024459. I agree with you, but other editors mechanically "hate" disambiguation pages. Cheers.--Froaringus (talk) 15:10, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi Froaringus, although I have always been in good faith in that my edition - and in the reasons I gave, I have to admit that I regret the tone I used in the justification (if it was something radical and unfair). A hasty reaction against what would eventually be your intention or the intention of other editors to choose only Galician cities, municipalities etc.. If somehow went wrong on this "judgment" or was unfair, as it was, I apologize. And even incidentally one case out of two references, all the rest of that chapter and the whole article dismisses it. Its generally very impartial, vast, with references to both countries and with good quality. And if you, Froaringus - if you are the main editor, I want to give you congratulations for the great work and the great quality of the article. And to thank you, as a reader I am.

Both the current Galicia and Northern Portugal were of great importance in the Suevic kingdom of Gallaecia (hopefully correcting some tone here or exaggeration in the centralization in one region in my messages) Gondomar, Galician and Portuguese, both are important). The Center of Portugal much less, obviously, but with signs and even major archeology, interestingly - even in what is almost the beginning of the "southern" climate and the geographic "beginning" of the South of Portugal, as the Beira Baixa, south of Serra da Estrela, to give an example (Suevic monumentality, minted coins etc.).

As for disambiguation pages, they also have an handicap, sometimes in the way to expand in current or future editions, they cover the same names in other regions or continents (not the case maybe, but can happen) inspired by Galician and Portuguese lands,or others, either by settlement or genealogy in other places, outside the area with "real" Suevic origin. A curiosity: Gondomar, both Galician and Portuguese, are also inspired by the Visigoth king of the same name, in 611s AD., After the conquest, but continues to make sense its mention in our view. The disambiguation was a more informative, however the wikipedia has its rules, we have to accept. Cheers.----LuzoGraal (talk) 22:12, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi, friend. Na, it's Ok. You were constructive all the time, and nobody got hurt here. I'm not sure of who is the main editor, because it already was a large article when I began working at it, but I surely put a lot of effort here, and I tried to maintain the article as equilibrated and rich as possible. Abraços.--Froaringus (talk) 16:21, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Latin?

latin was certainly not the only language even in the courts. Much like even in karl the great's court (charlemagne), germanic dialects were spoken. The article must reflect this so as not to overstate assimilation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.100.90.192 (talk) 04:18, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

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Were the Suebi "Swabians"?

Except for the transformation of an initial [s] before most consonants in modern German to [ʃ] and the vowel [a] to [e] (vowels are usually unstable over any extended time), Suebi looks like a cognate of Schwaben, an unofficial region of Germany that now comprises an area around the old national (and current) federal borders of Bavaria and Baden-Wuerttemberg. See also "Angles" in England and their "Saxon" buddies or Norsemen/Normans in Normandy. Does this have documentation or is this simply a folk etymology on my part unduly tempting as an analogy? Pbrower2a (talk) 04:38, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

This article appears to use the terms Suevi, Suebi, and Swabian interchangably, which is confuisng, and, as mentioned above, possibly inaccurate. Acwilson9 (talk) 04:06, 18 June 2021 (UTC)