Talk:Kings of Leon discography

UK database

I've noticed that the UK certs are being changed incorrectly (in good faith). There are two reasons for this. Firstly, the showing certification of the BPI database for Because of the Times and Aha Shake Heartbreak is silver. When the more info button is clicked it immeadiatly reveals in fact that both albums have actually gone platinum.

Secondly, we have people who know that Only by the Night is undercertified adding in certs that it has not yet been given. I understand that is has sold enough to go seven or eight times platinum, but the current certification in the UK database is 5x Platinum. Not six, seven or eight. The most likely reason for this that the record company is waiting for , to save money, the album's sales to slow down before doing its next lot of certifications all at once, in order to save money.

Until then however, the album must say 5x Platinum. Hitthat (talk) 21:08, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

References

I have added a whole heap of charts with references to Only by the Night. Should help with the sourcing of this article. k-i-a-c (hitmeup - the past) 09:16, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Layout

Okay, well it seems we've came to a dispute over what the discography page should look like. On the one hand we've got wiki's preferred standard - the type you see almost everywhere on here, which complies with rules and seems to be what the majority want (Kiac, whose edits I was reverting back to, shares my frustration); and then there's I7114080's edits. Maybe you can justify, and somewhat clarify why you feel your edits better the discography l7114080? Hopefully, other people can share their thoughts on this too? Ta. --HeadlightMorning (talk) 08:08, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

I agree with headlightmorning and will be reverting the material when i find the time to write the lead which can hopefulyl find some sort of balance between mine and l7114080's version. As for the rest of the list, it has to be the way i had it, otherwise it will go nowhere in an FLC. l7114080 if you want more people to come show their support for us, just say the word, because the way you've been doing things is wrong. One source does not replace 10 that are more reliable. k-i-a-c (hitmeup - the past) 12:32, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

what's wiki's preferred standard? I think mine is okay. why does the list have to be your way? What do you mean your way? And what do you mean wrong? I have edited many discographies, and I don't think I have mistakes. I will soon revert. Langdon (talk) 07:39, 15 February 2009 (UTC)i7114080

We don't have our own standards. Wikipedia has standards, comply, find support to change the guidelines, or get out. This will help with all style issues: Wikipedia:WikiProject Music/MUSTARD. This is the guidelines on a discography: Wikipedia:WikiProject Discographies/style. The criteria required for a featured list: Wikipedia:Featured list criteria. Some recently featured discographies: Dido, Girls Aloud, Megadeth, Natalie Imbruglia, In Flames and Pantera. The Midnight Oil discography recently failed for missing the directors of a couple of Music Videos which were made 30 years ago - something as small as that. Those should help create a basis for you, of what is expected and required - your own way is not going to run here. Go to the talk page of any of those articles and click the link Featured list candidate to see the process of a nomination. k-i-a-c (hitmeup - the past) 12:26, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Could I make a suggestion? The two singles with the certifications in both Australia and New Zealand, in my eyes, shouldn't be in the table with just a page break to seperate them. If the song has been certified in more than country, shouldn't it be listed off the table, like Katy Perry discography? EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 22:27, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Katy Perry discography is a complete mess. Langdon/I7114080 has said multiple times that they should be, however, i don't see it as necessary. A whole table just for 4 things which don't impede on the other one is pointless. k-i-a-c (hitmeup - the past) 04:21, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

I beg to differ ;-) EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 21:13, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't really mind either way, as long as the page remains mainly how it is now. Oh and Acharts, the link that l7114080 kept replacing all the individual refs with, is considered unreliable by wikipedia [1]. As for the certificates, how about putting them beneath the single like:

2008	"Sex on Fire" AUS: 2× Platinum, NZ: Platinum	86	19	—	2	1	57	—	—	6	—	5	26	2	Only by the Night
	"Use Somebody" AUS: Platinum, NZ: Gold	—	—	—	40	—	—	—	—	—	—	—	—	—
2009	"Revelry"	—	—	—	40	—	—	—	—	—	—	—	—	—

HeadlightMorning (talk) 05:43, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Acharts.us is still a reliable source. Only the United World Chart has been deleted.

Also, I have never seen that layout before. It is a good idea, but it does not work that well. Right now, separation is the best way. Langdon (talk) 06:41, 18 February 2009 (UTC)i7114080

I don't mind that version HeadlightMorning, i don't really mind having it separate either, if there were enough certifications to warrant it. The mere 4 certs is really pointless for an entire table. Anyway, if you wish to do it any other way than what is current (which is the 'accepted' method), take it here: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Discographies. Hopefully we get an answer. It tends to just be what is required in each case, which i don't believe 4 certs is enough to need another table. k-i-a-c (hitmeup - the past) 12:19, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Ps. How are we meant to know they are certifications in that version? There is nothing stating that is what they are. It needs to be simple and obvious. k-i-a-c (hitmeup - the past) 12:20, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

There are no prefered version yet. It is not a reason for reverting my edits. Langdon (talk) 05:26, 26 February 2009 (UTC)i7114080

Of course there is, the only thing left to discuss was the placing of cerificates for the singles; the rest has been decided by the majority, 2:1 at least that we keep the discography how we have it now.HeadlightMorning (talk) 11:46, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

3PO A wp:3PO was requested, but it appears that 4 editors at least are already involved. Try taking this issue to the relevant wikiproject, or open an RFC. NJGW (talk) 21:12, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Sales

According to the current Aria Charts (Australian Music Charts) Kings of Leon has now achieved sales of 8x Platinum (Platinum is 70,000 units) in the country. The current discography has not been updated yet and still stands at 7x Platinum. Here is the link: http://www.ariacharts.com.au/pages/charts_display_album.asp?chart=1G50 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.238.7.60 (talk) 12:02, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

I have updated the certification for you. If it was you that had your edit reverted, i will just let you know that it was because there was no reliable source stated - the cited source (click the number next to the cert) still referenced 7x plat. I would much like it if people at least provided a link in the edit summary to show that it has been published - eg. here. k-i-a-c (hitmeup - the past) 12:35, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

I haven't tried to edit the page, because I don't know how to and I wouldn't want to stuff up anything on your page! But thankyou for changing it! :D —Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.238.7.60 (talk) 07:00, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Here's something else that can go in the Only By the Night certifications, it went 5x platinum in Ireland. http://www.irishcharts.ie/awards/multi_platinum08.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.179.29.53 (talk) 07:46, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Added. Thanks very much :) k.i.a.c (talktome - contribs) 13:44, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

I got another one: 2x Platinum in Canada http://www.cria.ca/goldplat.php —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.217.165.250 (talk) 01:47, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Also, it went 4x platinum in New Zealand, not 3x Platinum. See here http://www.rianz.org.nz/rianz/chart.asp —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.168.120.104 (talk) 04:17, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I will fix them both up. Just be patient with the certifications, they'll get updated eventually. k.i.a.c (talktome - contribs) 04:41, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

use somebody platimun in the US http://www.riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?resultpage=1&table=SEARCH_RESULTS&action=&title=&artist=Kings%20of%20Leon&format=&debutLP=&category=&sex=&releaseDate=&requestNo=&type=&level=&label=&company=&certificationDate=&awardDescription=&catalogNo=&aSex=&rec_id=&charField=&gold=&platinum=&multiPlat=&level2=&certDate=&album=&id=&after=&before=&startMonth=1&endMonth=1&startYear=1958&endYear=2009&sort=Artist&perPage=25 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.216.156.33 (talk) 08:16, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Manhattan

Manhattan from Only By The Night has a music video. I'm not sure if it's been declared as a single yet but it has a video. So does Crawl from Only By The Night —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.172.120.252 (talk) 01:21, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

This was over 2 months ago, and neither has been announced as a single officially. Proof that reliable sources are more useful than rumour and speculation?! :) k.i.a.c (talktome - contribs) 04:41, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Article Class

Surely it must be time for a review of the article's class on the Discography WikiProject's quality scale? At this stage it is way beyond a Start Class article and I think this should be reflected upon. Thoughts? 213.202.153.49 (talk) 23:47, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

I argee; this article been improved and explanded on for so long that it needs to be re-ratedHitthat (talk) 06:25, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

UK certifications

ObtN is still only 5x platinum in the UK. A direct link is unavailable but if you follow the link for the source and type 'Kings of Leon' in the searchable database beside it will give you the information.Hitthat (talk) 10:20, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Also, I am removing the singles certifications as the serch gives no results for them Hitthat (talk) 20:35, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough. They used to be there, but this is a pretty poor database they've introduced. There's been plenty of claims that it's incomplete. k.i.a.c (talktome - contribs) 02:59, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

I'll keep an eye on the database then in case it is updated Hitthat (talk) 06:26, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

To the person who recently changed the UK certifications to 7x platinum, it is going to be reverted to 5x platinum, because this is the certification figure provided by the BPI on their database. I am well aware that it has sold more than enough to be 7x platinum, but we have to stick with the imformation provided by the sources. And if you want my opinion on it, I think that they are probabvly going to wait to KoL's next album is released before they certify it, and it may be as much as 8x then. For now though we need to use 5x platinum. Hitthat (talk) 00:24, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Tables must be trimmed down

Per consensus at WP:DISCOG, tables should have 10 columns max. Both albums and singles have too many. Any discussion about which should be cut? I will do this myself if no feedback in the next few days... I'll base it on largest music markets and countries with little to no chart action. - eo (talk) 17:10, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

I've cut the tables on a subpage and would like to implement it ASAP. If anyone has objections please let me know.

Albums: US, AUS, BEL, CAN, FRA, GER, IRL, JPN, NZ, UK

Singles: US, US Alt., AUS, BEL, CAN, GER, IRL, NLD, NZ, UK - eo (talk) 12:58, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

No objections. Hitthat (talk) 09:44, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks - done. We can discuss here if anyone prefers to swap out one country for another. - eo (talk) 13:09, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Belgium Charts

I wrote this on other discography pages, TIP: 3 such as PYRO, on the Belgium Charts it is not an official sales chart like the others. It is based on airplay & sales, and does not count as a chart appearance! Some singles chart some don't, get over it, document first, then put the correct chart stats. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Comablack182 (talk • contribs) 21:55, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Singles

The lead section states that there are 16 singles but there are 18 in the list. This seems to be because "Manhattan" and "The Immortals" were added without any changes to the lead section. Another inconsistency: Template:Kings of Leon doesn't include "Manhattan" but it has "Red Morning Light". I can't find anything to verify whether "The Immortals" was released, although there is a reference in Come Around Sundown article from before the release date announcing that it would be a single. It also seems to be unclear whether "Red Morning Light" was a single - occasional references e.g. [2] and a release date but a search only finds the EP What I Saw, released a few months earlier. Peter E. James (talk) 21:56, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

I've redirected "Red Morning Light" article - it looks like this was the same as the EP and User:Visnusen and the suspected sock puppet User:Rats-Pasngeld Rennab are adding false information to various articles. Peter E. James (talk) 22:33, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Singles Chart

The discography of the band looks impressive, but there is an issue: I found better discography of the band in Poland. Although this link provides info of KOL (not the singles themselves, which are separated in different mini-pages), the source provides 14 singles that were charted in the country (compared to 8 in Netherlands, and 7 in New Zealand). I should mention that the Polish charts mention ONLY singles! (not albums) This kind request might be helpful to the article, so better consider it. Have a nice day... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.127.174.156 (talk) 09:33, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

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