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Appelations "Kinneret" and "Ginosar" (Gennesaret)

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The article's lede points out that the name "Kinneret" (a town), identified as Tell el-'Oreimeh in Arabic and Tel Kinrot in Modern Hebrew, had later evolved into the Hebrew name, Ginosar (Gennesaret). The article cites no reference for this fact. While there was, indeed, a town by the name of "Kinneret" and which gave its name to the lake, the "Sea of Galilee" (also called "Kinneret"), historical geographers have also pointed out that there was a town called "Ginosar" (Gennesaret) also built along the shores of the "Sea of Galilee" and which they identify as being Khurbet Kuneitriah, an ancient ruin situated between Tiberias and Migdal [see: Ishtori Haparchi, Sefer Kaftor Vaferach (ed. Avraham Havatzelet), vol. 2, Jerusalem 2007, p. 54 (note 31)], unlike Tel Kinrot (the ancient "Kinneret") which is located between Capernaum and Migdal (Magdala). According to them, these were two different towns bearing different names. Perhaps the writer's intent was that both names were used for the "Sea of Galilee," the one name ("Kinneret") being replaced for the other ("Ginosar"). However, to say that the name of one town (Kinneret) evolved into a different name (Ginosar, or "Gennesaret") would require citing a reliable source for such an assertion.Davidbena (talk) 04:34, 16 February 2018 (UTC)Reply

Highly-informative and fascinating comment. This issue really needs to be sorted out. O Murr (talk) 20:10, 28 September 2019 (UTC)Reply

Hi David. Negev was still going along with the 19th-c. etymology dorectly deriving Ginnosar / Gennesaret from Kinneret. He is a RS, but dated (Gibson didn't fully rewrite the text in 2001).

You do have a RS, and the Kh. Kuneitriah would be a great addition! It sounds identical to Quneitra, btw. It seems to be quite a common Arabic toponym (see hatnote and etymology section there). Unless the Arabic word does have the same root as the old Semitic one, the connection would be a stretch, but both the kinnor (a yoke lute similar to the lyre) and stone arches do have a rounded section, so the names might be indeed connected through that. Cheers, Arminden (talk) 14:52, 25 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Digging again?

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The Kinneret Regional Project has long discontinued properly updating its website and even its FB page, which took over at some point. In 2019 there were some isolated FB postings about other sites than Tel Kinrot, and nothing since. The website says (posted when?) that "While excavations on Tel Kinrot have temporarily been halted since 2008 and are now in process of analysis and publication, Kinneret Regional Project has been exploring Horvat Kur and its surroundings since 2007." (See their homepage). Is that still valid? Arminden (talk) 15:26, 25 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

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