Talk:Kirkland Lake

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Much of this article is horrible. None of it is cited. Much of it is obviously hearsay and to be honest takes a defensive tone instead of an objective one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.241.76.7 (talk) 05:20, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Unstated are the high numbers of drug users (literally hundreds in this small town) a total lack of effective town government, high (and chronic) unemployment, and a disgraceful attitude of "us and them" amoungst many of the residents. Kirkland Lake is a nice place to live overall, but does have its problems. The rosy picture painted by this article is innaccurate in both fact and tone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.101.78.176 (talk) 02:47, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

I am actively seeking the proper citations for this extremely factual article. At this point in time, you need to live here or know the history to realize how accurate it is. Sad to say, but many small communities face illicit drug use, mainly due to isolation and unemployment. This town is essentially a mining town, living and breathing along with the highs and lows of the industry. Although it is unlikely we will see the boom experienced in the early part of the century, it is comforting to know mining has since returned and the economy is improving. On a side note, I wonder why we are listing 15-year-old actors who have never stepped foot in the community and athletes who played a few years of junior hockey here, as prominent contributors to Kirkland Lake? Kirklandlake (talk) 05:52, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

I do live in Kirkland Lake, and I can't agree that the article is very factual. KL does have a huge substance abuse problem, which our mayor denies. Town council has actively opposed (behind the scenes) establishing a methadone clinic in town; instead hundreds of thousands of dollars per year are spent on taxis every year sending patients to another community 40 km away for treatment. (That's not a typo; each methadone patient is taken once a day to Englehart, at a cost of $70/day per patient. I'm told the taxis take three or four at a time, and charge multiple fares for one trip, but that's another story...). As for the economy improving; that might be true for a few, but not for most. Trying to find employment above minimum wage is next to impossible, unless you are related to someone, or know someone. Employment at or below minimum wage is not so easy to find either. (And yes, many local employers pay less than minimum wage under the table, including one or two of the companies the town is using to demolish derelict buildings around town. But that's another story...) I won't even go into how the town selectively enforces some bylaws to benefit the "old boy network" in a few cases, because that would be considered impolite in this town. KL survived the closing of the mines; I wonder if it will survive the attentions of its "leading citizens". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.101.117.6 (talk) 09:22, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Intersting comments posted here. My employer was considering moving part of its operations to Kirkland Lake, but after investigating some of the comments made here and elsewhere decided to remain in Timmins. It appears the poster is correct; local government in Kirkland Lake is unashamedly corrupt. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.101.117.6 (talk) 20:50, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

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The result of the proposal was move. Mindmatrix 03:42, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Page move

I propose that this article be moved to Kirkland Lake, which is currently a redirect here, per WP:CANSTYLE naming conventions. There is no evidence of any other notable use for the name. Just for the record, when I previously researched the appropriateness of this as a potential move, I literally had to funnel a Google search all the way down to "Kirkland Lake" -Ontario -ON -CJKL -Virginiatown -Dobie -Kearns -Kenogami -"Northern College" -Gold -Bill Enouy -garbage -"Adams Mine" -"Highway 66" -Temagami -Timiskaming -"New Liskeard" -Haileybury -Teck just to find even one page that didn't pertain to the Ontario town — and even that first non-Ontario hit didn't turn out to be about a "Kirkland Lake", but about a town called Kirkland that's located on the shore of a Lake Washington. So those who have a habit of automatically trying to torpedo any name that sounds like it might not be unique, regardless of its actual ambiguity status, need to be aware that other important usages simply do not exist here. Bearcat (talk) 00:10, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

• Support. an internet search yields 858,000 hits for the term, which reduces to 304,000 when excluding the term "Ontario" (and yet, many of the hits are still related to the town). Meets criteria for WP:PRIMARYUSAGE. Mindmatrix 14:28, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
• Support. I agree with Mindmatrix and Bearcat. The town is clearly the primary use and appears to be the only notable use of the name. DoubleBlue (talk) 15:23, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
• Support Primary usage, even over the actual lake (located in the town but is a tailings pond now if I remember correctly.)--kelapstick (talk) 04:33, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

• Comment In case it comes up Kirkland Lake (the lake) (I think it was the still support the move, as it is primary usage.--kelapstick (talk) 04:41, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

• Support, simply because there is no lake with the name elsewhere. If such is discovered though, move back. CrazyC83 (talk) 16:56, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
• Support per above. However, it should be noted there was a Kirkland Lake in British Columbia found on NRCan's GNSS, but it would be a much less significant location in Canada and clearly secondary usage. US Census Bureau Gazetteer comes up empty as does the UK Ordnance Survey. Dl2000 (talk) 03:18, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

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Federal

Why is the north end of Kirkland Lake called the federal area? NorthernThunder (talk) 09:23, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Proposed Changes/Questions

I have an issue with the statement "the lake that bore her name no longer exists because of mine tailings". Having grown up there and spending a lot of time roaming around the outskirts of town, I can confirm from first hand experience that the lake was partially filled in by mine tailings, but not entirely. If you look on Google Earth at 48° 9'12.00"N, 80° 3'6.67"W you can see the North Arm of what was the original lake. On the Ministry of Natural Resources topographic map 042A01 the lake is visible and also labeled as Kirkland Lake. I propose striking the statement that the lake no longer exists.

• The full reference for the paper copy of the topo map is: Kirkland Lake (42/A1) (Map) (3rd ed.). 1:50,000. A 751. Energy, Mines and Resources Canada. 1988. § 69,35.

Edit Log

• Added reference about how the town got its name (Barnes) Phae girl (talk) 17:36, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
• Added CN for the Foster Hewitt quote Phae girl (talk) 17:33, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
• Removed reference to Queen Elizabeth Public School. As far as I know, it was torn down in the early 80's, and there is no reference on the district school board website to a school bearing that name. Phae girl (talk) 00:54, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

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