Talk:Kirsten Seaver

Source ideas

I had some tabs open, so I'll try to compile what was there into some reference ideas, hopefully some subset of which can be used in this article or articles related to the subject's research.

• Howell G. M. Edwards (2012). "The Vinland Map: An Authentic Relic of Early Exploration or a Modern Forgery – Raman Spectroscopy in a Pivotal Role?". In John M. Chalmers; Howell G. M. Edwards; Michael D. Hargreaves (eds.). Infrared and Raman Spectroscopy in Forensic Science. Wiley. doi:10.1002/9781119962328.ch7b. ISBN 9781119962328. a leading exponent of those who have decreed that the Vinland Map is a fake, Kirsten Seaver, has proposed an attribution of the forgery to a certain Josef Fischer, a Jesuit priest from Feldkirch in Austria, and she believed that this was carried out at some time between 1939 and 1944, when he died. Seaver has suggested, on the basis of only circumstantial evidence [26], that Fischer's motive was to tease Nazi supporters in Germany about their Aryan Thule origins whilst causing them much alarm and dismay at the religious expansion of the Catholic Church which was behind it all. Folly Mox (talk) 00:35, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
• Source of the Encyclopedia.com source: "Kirsten A. Seaver". Gale In Context: Biography. Gale Literature: Contemporary Authors. Gale. 2008. Retrieved 7 October 2023. Folly Mox (talk) 01:44, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
• Her alumna autobio: Kirsten Seaver. "Kirsten Andresen Seaver". Alumnae Biographies. Bryn Mawr College. Archived from the original on 10 December 2014. Folly Mox (talk) 20:50, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Mary C. Fuller (2021). "Placing Iceland". In Jyotsna G. Singh (ed.). A Companion to the Global Renaissance: English Literature and Culture in the Era of Expansion, 1500–1700 (Second ed.). Wiley Blackwell. doi:10.1002/9781119626282.ch13. ISBN 9781119626282. Contacts with Iceland may have contributed to this reach westward by enabling the transmission of geographical information as well as simply providing a convenient waypoint for enterprising fishermen. Kirsten Seaver argues that medieval Norse colonists in Greenland almost certainly continued to exploit resources of timber and fur across the Davis Strait long after abandoning their settlement in northern Newfoundland, which has been dated to c. 1000 ce; in turn, kinship and property ties kept some influential Icelanders in contact with their Greenlandic cousins through at least 1410 (Seaver, 151–157, and Marcus, 156–157). If Seaver is correct, the numerous Englishmen fishing at Iceland in the following decades would have been well positioned to hear about lands and fishing grounds exploited by Norse Greenlanders further to the west; archaeological evidence also confirms that the Norse Greenlanders had direct contacts with other Europeans through the late 1400s Folly Mox (talk) 00:51, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Mary C. Fuller (2008). Remembering the Early Modern Voyage. Early Modern Cultural Studies. Palgrave Macmillan. p. 29. doi:10.1057/9780230611894. ISBN 9780230611894. It should be said that, if English actions in 1577 were conditioned by the knowledge that five of their countrymen had been taken captive and, they believed, killed, so too Inuit attitudes were surely affected by Frobisher's abduction of the man in the kayak the preceding year. Kirsten Seaver has suggested as much (recalling some Inuit captives who reached Europe in the 1560s): "It would be surprising indeed if the Baffin Island Inuit whom Frobisher and his men encountered in 1576 did not know what had happened to some of their people because of another European ship in those waters just ten years earlier." Folly Mox (talk) 01:27, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Ronald H. Fritze (2009). Invented Knowledge: False History, Fake Science and Pseudo-religions. Reaktion Books. ISBN 9781861896742. Describes interactions with notorious hoaxster Gavin Menzies in the research and publication for his alternate history fanfic 1421 (can't copypaste out of gbooks). Folly Mox (talk) 01:37, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Seaver tearing 1421 to tiny pieces, which we should definitely cite somewhere: Kirsten A. Seaver (2006). "Walrus Pitch and Other Novelties: Gavin Menzies and the Far North". The '1421' myth exposed. Archived from the original on 13 January 2007. Folly Mox (talk) 01:55, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
    • Here's a newspaper source for her discrediting part of Menzies's 1421 idea: Stuart Wavell (17 November 2002). "Sinking of a Chinese Columbus". Sunday Times. London. p. 4. Folly Mox (talk) 14:47, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Sarah Tyacke (2019). "Helen Margaret Wallis, 1924–1995". In Elizabeth Baigent; André Reyes Novaes (eds.). Geographers: Biobibliographical Studies, Volume 38. Bloomsbury Publishing. pp. 165–198. ISBN 9781350127982. talks about Seaver's study of the Vinland Map and her theory as to the forger. Folly Mox (talk) 02:09, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Synopsising and promoting her then forthcoming book: Seaver, Kirsten (29 November 2003). "The chart before the Norse: This week, a U.S. chemist declared that the Vinland Map was almost certainly drawn six centuries ago. The claim is a blot on scholarship, counters historian KIRSTEN SEAVER". Globe & Mail. Toronto. p. A27. Folly Mox (talk) 20:53, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
    • Another newspaper source about her research into the inauthenticity of the Vinland Map: Eakin, Emily (14 September 2002). "Was 'old' map faked to tweak the Nazis?". New York Times. p. B7. Folly Mox (talk) 21:05, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Shortland, Andrew; Degryse, Patrick (2022). When Art Isn’t Real: The World's Most Controversial Objects under Investigation. Leuven University Press. doi:10.1353/book.109375. ISBN 978 94 6166 461 7. Crossref.org: doi:10.11116/9789461664617. n 2005, the [Vinland] Map was studied by a Danish team to recommend how it could best be conserved. This study made clear that the two halves of the Map were in fact made from separate sheets, though they later stated that "all the tests that we have done […] do not show any signs of forgery". This team, however, ignored previous studies rather than contradicting them. In 2004, Kirsten Seaver, reviewing all the available evidence to date in her book Maps, Myths, and Men: The Story of the Vinland Map, had already suggested that a forger could have found two separate blank leaves in the original Speculum Historiale (in which pages appeared to be missing), joining them together to form the Map [long excerpt follows] Folly Mox (talk) 17:23, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
  • The following work cites Seaver so many times her surname has 61 matches: Janus Møller Jensen (2007). "Greenland And The Crusades". Denmark and the Crusades, 1400–1650. The Northern World, Volume: 30. Brill. pp. 159–205. doi:10.1163/ej.9789004155794.i-423.19. ISBN 978-90-47-41984-6. Wikipedia Library link Folly Mox (talk) 17:34, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Published reviews of Maps, Myths, and Men

• Lee Sather (2006). "Book Reviews". Historian. 68 (1). Wiley: 202–203. doi:10.1111/j.1540-6563.2006.00138.x.
• Maryanne Kowaleski (April 2006). "Reviews". Speculum. 81 (2). University of Chicago Press: 602–603.
• D. Graham Burnett (March 2005). "Book Reviews". Isis. 96 (1). University of Chicago Press: 106–107.
• P. D. A. Harvey (2006). "Review: The Vinland Map, R. A. Skelton and Josef Fischer". Imago Mundi. 58 (1): 95–99. JSTOR 40234023.
• Schledermann, Peter (March 2005). "Maps, Myths, and Men: the Story of the Vinland Map". Arctic. 58 (1). University of Calgary: 84–.
• Sigurdsson, Jon Vidar (Autumn 2006). "Viking Empires". Canadian Journal of History. 41 (2). University of Toronto Press: 339–.
• William W. Fitzhugh (4 March 2005). "A Saga of Wormholes and Anatase". Science. 307 (5714). AAAS: 1413–1414. doi:10.1126/science.1103089.

Selected research

• Kirsten Andresen Seaver (2013). "Saxo meets Ptolemy: Claudius Clavus and the 'Nancy map'". Norsk Geografisk Tidsskrift - Norwegian Journal of Geography. 67 (2). Taylor Francis: 72–86. doi:10.1080/00291951.2013.784353.
• Seaver, Kirsten A. (September 2000). "Renewing the quest for Vinland". Mercator's World. 5 (5). Avanstar: 42–. This source also says Seaver sat on the editorial board of Mercator's World, which might already be in the article.

More sources from Kirsten herself

“The ‘Vinland Map’: Who made it, and why? New light on an old problem.” The Map Collector, No. 70 (Spring, 1995), pp. 32-40.

“The Mystery of the ‘Vinland Map’ Manuscript Volume.” The Map Collector, No. 74 (Spring, 1996), pp. 24-29.

“The Vinland Map: A $3,500 duckling that became a $25,000,000 swan.” Mercator’s World, Vol. 2 no. 2 (March-April 1997), pp. 42-47.

“Baffin Island Mandibles and Iron Blooms” in Thomas H.B. Symons, Meta Incognita: A Discourse of Discovery. Martin Frobisher’s ArcticExpeditions, 1576-1578. “Mercury Series”, Canadian Museum of Civilization (Hull, Quebec), 1999. Vol. II, pp. 563-74 .

“How Strange Is a Stranger?” in Thomas H.B. Symons, Meta Incognita: A Discourse of Discovery. Martin Frobisher’s Arctic Expeditions, 1576-1578. “Mercury Series”, Canadian Museum of Civilization (Hull, Quebec), 1999. Vol. II, pp. 523-52.

“Norse Greenland on the Eve of Renaissance Exploration in the North Atlantic,” in Anna Agnarsdóttir, ed., Voyages and Exploration in the North Atlantic from the Middle Ages to the XVIIth Century. Papers presented at the 19th International Congress of Historical Sciences, Oslo 2000. Reykjavík,University of Iceland Press, 2000, pp. 29-44.

“The Chart before the Norse.” Op Ed piece (by request) in The Globe and Mail (Toronto), Saturday, Nov. 29, 2003. [ A commentary on Jacqueline Olin’s article on the Vinland Map ink, Analytical Chemistry, Dec. 2003.]

“Faith, Fiction, and Fakery: the Story of the Vinland Map.” In S.M. Lewis- Simpson, ed. Vínland Revisited: The Norse World at the Turn of the First Millennium. Selected Papers from the Viking Millennium International Symposium 15-24 September 2000, Newfoundland and Labrador. St. John's, Newfoundland: Historic Sites Association of Newfoundland and Labrador. 2003.

“The ‘Vinland Map’ – Faking History.” International Map Collectors Society Bulletin 119 (Winter 2009), pp. 33-37. Doug Weller talk 07:43, 11 October 2023 (UTC)