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editRomema Illit is name.פמס (talk) 19:29, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
- Hi Famas! Technically these are two different neighborhoods. However, ultimately it's the Jerusalem Municipality decides, so if you know something that we don't, please provide the source and we will update the information accordingly. —Ynhockey (Talk) 15:08, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
- Actually, its official name is "Kiryat Mattersdorf", just like nearby Kiryat Sanz and Kiryat Belz. It appears with one name on maps probably because it's so long, but that's its official name. It is referred to as such in local publications (e.g. Dei'ah Ve'Dibur, see first sentence of this article) and in the article I am now writing about Rabbi Shmuel Ehrenfeld, the Mattersdorfer Rav, who founded Kiryat Mattersdorf. I don't know how to find these things on the Jerusalem municipality webpage or other sites, but I can tell you that it's called "Kiryat Mattersdorf" on List of Egged bus routes in Israel#Jerusalem (look under Lines 2, 7, 10, and 16). I would like to move the page back to Kiryat Mattersdorf, but since a page like that exists with a redirect, I am unable to do so. Yoninah (talk) 23:16, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
- Whatever the name may be, I am actually in favor of merging this article with information on other places in the Kiryat Sheva Kehilot. No neighborhood this small is notable, especially one that gets so little press coverage. —Ynhockey (Talk) 00:49, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
- What's the Kiryat Sheva Kehilot? I thought Kiryat Mattersdorf was called that. I'm going to take a picture of the sign in the shul there listing the seven communities of Burgenland for which Kiryat Mattersdorf was dedicated.
- BTW, press coverage isn't the only reliable source. Kiryat Mattersdorf is named in books and Haredi newspaper articles about the founders of Torah institutions there and around Jerusalem. Yoninah (talk) 01:11, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
- Kiryat Sheva Kehilot = Place of Seven Communities. I am assuming that is also what you are referring to. —Ynhockey (Talk) 02:03, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, what I am saying is that Kiryat Mattersdorf IS Kiryat Sheva Kehillos. No other neighborhoods in the area (Romema, Unsdorf, Kiryat Sanz, Kiryat Belz) were part of the Sheva Kehillos. That's why I didn't understand what you meant by writing an article about Kiryat Sheva Kehillos which includes Kiryat Mattersdorf, when "Kiryat Mattersdorf" and "Kiryat Sheva Kehillos" are synonymous. BTW, we already have an article on the Sheva Kehillos called Siebengemeinden. Yoninah (talk) 10:47, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
- Feel free to move the article to whatever name you see fit, but I am still of the opinion that we should try to merge articles about very small Haredi neighborhoods, unless more information could be provided. I do not have any Haredi-related sources though and maybe there's much more that could be added. —Ynhockey (Talk) 15:17, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
- I'm sure there's more — but in Hebrew, which I don't understand very well. Kiryat Mattersdorf has long been known as "Rabbi's Row," since so many roshei yeshiva live there. Yoninah (talk) 21:01, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
- Feel free to move the article to whatever name you see fit, but I am still of the opinion that we should try to merge articles about very small Haredi neighborhoods, unless more information could be provided. I do not have any Haredi-related sources though and maybe there's much more that could be added. —Ynhockey (Talk) 15:17, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, what I am saying is that Kiryat Mattersdorf IS Kiryat Sheva Kehillos. No other neighborhoods in the area (Romema, Unsdorf, Kiryat Sanz, Kiryat Belz) were part of the Sheva Kehillos. That's why I didn't understand what you meant by writing an article about Kiryat Sheva Kehillos which includes Kiryat Mattersdorf, when "Kiryat Mattersdorf" and "Kiryat Sheva Kehillos" are synonymous. BTW, we already have an article on the Sheva Kehillos called Siebengemeinden. Yoninah (talk) 10:47, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
- Kiryat Sheva Kehilot = Place of Seven Communities. I am assuming that is also what you are referring to. —Ynhockey (Talk) 02:03, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
- Whatever the name may be, I am actually in favor of merging this article with information on other places in the Kiryat Sheva Kehilot. No neighborhood this small is notable, especially one that gets so little press coverage. —Ynhockey (Talk) 00:49, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
- Actually, its official name is "Kiryat Mattersdorf", just like nearby Kiryat Sanz and Kiryat Belz. It appears with one name on maps probably because it's so long, but that's its official name. It is referred to as such in local publications (e.g. Dei'ah Ve'Dibur, see first sentence of this article) and in the article I am now writing about Rabbi Shmuel Ehrenfeld, the Mattersdorfer Rav, who founded Kiryat Mattersdorf. I don't know how to find these things on the Jerusalem municipality webpage or other sites, but I can tell you that it's called "Kiryat Mattersdorf" on List of Egged bus routes in Israel#Jerusalem (look under Lines 2, 7, 10, and 16). I would like to move the page back to Kiryat Mattersdorf, but since a page like that exists with a redirect, I am unable to do so. Yoninah (talk) 23:16, 3 March 2010 (UTC)