Talk:Klein Bicycle Corporation

The gree

The green bike always visible hung up in the back of Jerry Seinfeld`s apartment set on the famous TV comedy series "Seinfeld" was a Klein mountain bicycle. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.169.244.35 (talk) 13:39, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Old source dump

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P3-1209892431.html http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-17162659.html http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-79639772.html http://www.switchbackmb.com/Trail/content/18/1034/Gary-Klein http://www.vintage-trek.com/trek-fisher-klein-lemond.htm http://www.bicycle-and-bikes.com/klein-bikes.html http://www.completesite.com/mbhof/page.cfm?pageid=6&year=1992

http://web.archive.org/web/20021126040510/http://www.kleinbikes.com/at_klein/features/heat_treated.asp

https://web.archive.org/web/20061103174315/http://www.kleinjapan.com/at_klein/garys_speech.pdf

http://www.vintage-trek.com/trek-fisher-klein-lemond.htm

http://www.exacteditions.com/read/singletrack/issue-39-3616/26/3?dps=

http://web.archive.org/web/20140526193839/http://budgetbicyclectr.com/1989-klein-performance-elite-road-bicycle-56cm.html

New source dump

http://web.archive.org/web/20140618173520/http://www.ebay.com/itm/KLEIN-TRIALS-BIKE-Late-80s-Custom-Employee-Bicycle-Attitude-Adroit-/151297550632?pt=US_Bicycles_Frames&hash=item233a096928

"A green Klein mountain bike could be seen in Jerry Seinfeld's apartment."

The real Jerry Seinfeld or the TV show?

What is the TV show about?

When did it take place and where?

Please give some context.

Also, why is this info in the Sponsored Teams sect?

Is this in Jerry's apartment because it was on a "Sponsored Team", somehow?

Confused.

— Cirt (talk) 23:16, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Left note for Jamesx12345 about above. — Cirt (talk) 17:56, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

I put it in the article because it seems to get mentioned a lot - the book it is referenced to is meant to be an authoritative history of the bicycle, and it is all Klein is noted for. It's the TV show - it even makes a cameo appearance - but I don't know any more about it. James^x12345 19:09, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Okay, and thank you for moving it out of the Sponsored Teams sect. But can you give the reader a bit more context? — Cirt (talk) 19:50, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Spinningspark (talk · contribs) 17:57, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

I am going to review this. At a very brief look there don't seem to be any major problems. SpinningSpark 17:57, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Please see one minor issue at Talk:Klein_Bikes#.22A_green_Klein_mountain_bike_could_be_seen_in_Jerry_Seinfeld.27s_apartment..22. — Cirt (talk) 18:09, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

I don't think the history section is any more appropriate for it than where it was before. It's the sort of thing one expects to find in an "In popular culture" section. However, I don't think it is a GA issue either way. SpinningSpark 00:38, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

• Ref #9 is a deadlink

 Done 84.127.80.114 (talk) 07:23, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

• "Faced with limited availability of aluminum alloy tubing, the students chose to construct frames from 6061 aluminium alloy seamless drawn tube". The meaning is unclear on several counts. 6061 aluminum alloy tubing is surely a species of aluminum alloy tubing and clearly there was not a shortage of that. Is there some drawback to 6061? Is that all that was available but they would rather be using something else? Is this a question of what is commercially available on the market, or just what is available in the MIT workshops?

 Done 84.127.80.114 (talk) 10:01, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

• "He built...from each partner". The sentence starts as if this is an enterprise of Klein alone and ends with an implication that he is working with partners. Partners are not previously mentioned.

 Done 84.127.80.114 (talk) 11:02, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

• "MC3...did not have the handlebar attached". What does that mean? Surely it does not mean that the bike had a loose handlebar. From ref #14 it would seem to mean that the bike does not have a handlebar but a stem instead, if so, why not just say that. By the way, ref #17 on this point is just an ad for a part and does not give any encyclopaedic information.

 Done

I think that the information provided in the ad is not reliable, being user-generated; the claim "MC3 were produced in 1996-97" is arguable with a 2000 Mantra Pro. 84.127.80.114 (talk) 12:58, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

...more to come. SpinningSpark 11:30, 29 September 2014 (UTC) to 01:00, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Before I go any further, would the proposer please indicate that they intend to address these points. SpinningSpark 01:00, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

It looks like Jamesx12345 is busy. I am also working on another article, but there is no deadline. I think that I can help, although I am not familiar with Klein Bikes yet. Would Spinningspark like me to take care of this nomination until Jamesx12345 comes back or should we wait? 84.127.80.114 (talk) 16:43, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

That's between you and James. As far as I am concerned, I will pass the article if all my concerns are addressed no matter who actually does the work. I am happy to be patient as long as there is some sign of activity, but I won't hold the review open forever if nothing is happpening. It can always be submitted again at a later date. SpinningSpark 16:51, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

• I can't make any sense of note 3 "9000 series alloys are those that have not been assigned numbers". Sources seem to say that the 9000 series is unused.[1][2][books.google.co.uk/books?id=idmZIDcwCykC&pg=PA10]. The ref is to a Klein manual so I surmise that they simply made up this designation themselves. In other words it is just their trade name.

 Done 84.127.80.114 (talk) 23:54, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

• "Welded aluminium require to be heat treated..." There's something grammatically wrong with that. Suggest "Welded aluminium needs to be heat treated". SpinningSpark 23:06, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

 Done 84.127.80.114 (talk) 00:24, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

The archived kleinbikes.com sources are broken. I will remove the affected material. 84.127.80.114 (talk) 00:47, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Passed as GA

Thanks to 84.127 for responding to the review comments. SpinningSpark 16:36, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

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Seat post/seat tube

The badge seen on the picture is not on a seat post but on the seat tube. The seat tube is an integral part of the frame (as one can see it is welded to the bottom bracket below) and holds the seat post. The post is a separate part that holds the saddle. --178.2.30.185 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 18:54, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing that. Ostrichyearning (talk) 16:53, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

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Fined by WA State Department of Ecology for polluting ground water

Quoting the salient bits: "On August 10, 1992 Klein Bicycle, Inc., a Chehalis based bicycle manufacturer was penalized $242,000 under state dangerous waste and water quality laws for illegally discharging wastewater and hazardous waste to the ground. The company was also cited for 15 hazardous waste violations including failure to properly designate and manage spent degreasers, solvents, cutting oil and paint thinner. The violations were observed during two inspections conducted in April and May 1992. The inspections found Klein had failed to voluntarily comply with state requirements despite technical assistance from Ecology and repeated efforts by the agency to gain compliance. Along with the penalty, an order was issued requiring Klein to cease discharging, waste to the ground and determine the extent and nature of any soil or groundwater contamination at the site. Klein was also ordered to manage its dangerous waste according to state law."

I am not an experienced Wikipedia editor and I'm not comfortable with adding this to the article, but I think it is important. What do all you more experienced editors think?

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Errors

There are some important errors on the Klein Bikes page.

The aluminum bicycle project at MIT under Shawn Buckley grew out of research by student Marc Rosenbaum for his senior thesis, not "a group of students". Other students including Klein built frames in this project.

Klein applied for and was granted a patent which was invalidated when Cannondale, which started building such frames in 1983, refused to pay royalties to Klein. Bicycles and testimony by other former students in the MIT project were instrumental in overturning the patent. Jsallen1 (talk) 04:14, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

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