Talk:Klein Independent School District

Krimmel Intermediate

I believe that the Krimmel Intermediate article shouldn't have been deleted. If there aren't any objections by January 28, 2008 I will start the article up again. --Obaidz96 (talk) 19:26, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Irrelevant and Possibly Prejudicial

In 2005, KISD enrolled evacuees from the areas affected by Hurricane Katrina who were residing in northwest Harris County. The Spring Tabernacle shelter is within KISD boundaries. Does this line really belong in this article. To me, a KISD graduate, the part about the shelter is totally irrelevant, and the Katrina reference just seems questionable. (MBK004 16:44, 22 July 2007 (UTC))

--If there are no objections, I will delete this line from the article on 25 July 2007. MBK004 22:35, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Since there were no objections, I have deleted the line of text in question.MBK004 15:37, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Merge

I propose merging Vistas High School Program into this article. The Vistas High School Program is part of the Klein ISD, and there is redundant information in both articles. The Vistas High School Program is a very short stub and would be better served under this article which describes the entire school district and all the schools involved. This article provides context for the Vistas program, and at the very least a summary style main section should be created in this article. – Dreadstar † 22:16, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

In view of this, I have notified everyone who participated in the AfD to participate in this merge discussion. Dreadstar † 21:09, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

• Oppose - the article has just survived an AfD and this is, effectively, another deletion move. A summary paragraph in this article is a good idea. it could equally have been closed as keep. This has faculty, students, a campus and even its own mascot so though it is called a program it is little different from a high school. Already the article is long enough for standalone, and looked out of place in the District article, and there is plenty of scope for expansion - the reasons for the program, the inter-relationship with the parent schools, methods of evaluation etc. As the program develops then sourced assessments of its success/failure/effect can be added. This is a valuable educational initiative that could have national implications and merits full coverage. TerriersFan 22:19, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for striking the deletion comment, TerriersFan! I'm very glad my proposal is being viewed for what it is, a good faith attempt to improve and not just delete! Much appreciated!

I still think a summary style entry about Vistas in the KISD article is a good idea - although, with the shortness of the Vistas article...one paragraph is the entirety of the Vistas article.. Dreadstar † 21:12, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

• Oppose - per TerriersFan. Nice try, though.Neutral - The update made the difference.-MBK004 22:22, 10 August 2007 (UTC) Edited 23:59, 10 August 2007 (UTC); Edited again 20:06, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you MBK004! – Dreadstar † 00:21, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

• Oppose per above. The Big No. Bearian 22:49, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
• Neutral, leaning toward oppose - I appreciate your message, but I'm generally in favor of forking school-related articles so that readers can view the most specific material. The Vistas High School Program article could be fit into Klein District, but we would sacrifice a bit of specificity (noting the easy-to-locate references and link) and possibly limit its growth. I don't think the AfD supports a merge, as others pointed out. — xDanielx^Talk 22:58, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
• Support, there is little real information here, and it would fit perfectly well into the article for the district. The AfD was not concluded as keep but as no consensus so a merge is perfectly in order. I said keep at the afd, but I think a merge might be the best solution. A redirect can be made to the section, which will make it as visible as a separate article. I dislike using merge to kill an article, but this kind of merge will be supporting it DGG (talk) 23:05, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose. Most school district articles do not describe individual schools and their programs. They describe general information about the school district, its administration, and list its component schools. To include this school article in the school district article would not be consistent with other school district articles. Listing it as a "High School Project" ("Program" might be better?) as currently in the school district article is a reasonable way to identify this program while maintaining consistency of the district article. Also, as others have said above, the recent AfD tends to support keeping this as a separate article. Truthanado 23:09, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose There is a strong consensus on high school notability, evidenced by the clear consensus to retain all of the other high schools in this same district proposed for deletion in the same wave of AfDs. There is no reason that the article cannot and should not be expanded as a standalone article. Alansohn 23:14, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
• Neutral but leaning to oppose. I personally think it makes sense to keep it as a separate article. As TerriersFan notes on the Vistas High School Program talk page , it has its own building, faculty and students (and its own mascot, I might add), which makes it a school in my book. I think keeping the information is the important thing, though. Whether it is a separate article or part of the District article is secondary and is more a question of what makes sense to a person who is using Wikipedia to find the information. I don't strongly object to merging the information into the District article if (1) all of the relevant information is retained, (2) the source citations are maintained, (3) the District article is well organized so that a reader can readily locate the material on Vistas High School, and (4) a redirect from this article exists, preferably to the exact section of the District article, now that the wiki software allows such redirects. I do think Dreadstar did a reasonable job of satisfying my items (1), (2) and (3) in his attempt to merge the articles (unlike many "merge" attempts following a "no consensus" AfD which are often not-even-thinly-veiled attempts to excise massive amounts of the underlying article). -- DS1953 ^talk 23:16, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Comment: Thank you, DS1953, for the good faith comments!. Today, I actually called Peggy Ekster, the director of the Vistas High School program, and chatted with her about the article. She confirmed that there was no high school named "Vistas High School" and that it was a program. Thanks for allowing the rename. I only suggested merging because there is very little information in either article. It's not an effort to delete the thing. I put way too much effort into it for that...I actually feel proud of it. It's sad to see disparaging comments about those efforts. So thank you DS1953! – Dreadstar † 23:28, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

• Strong support - what article? It is a stub and will remain a stub. There is only so much that can be said about a program. I suppose we could list the names of the teachers and what subjects they teach, but then that is called a school home page or maybe a blog. Because it has a bloody mascot makes it notable? LOL, my fellow worker has a hair growing out of his ear, but that hardly makes him more notable and worth an article. That hair does not make him notable; it means he is simply alive. I know I sound harsh, but that is not my intent; when I review the reasons why it should be retained it seems like we are stretching to make the article viable. A merge into this article will make this article better. Our local library, nursery school, elementary school, karate school, church, (just think of a city organization and insert it here), all of them have programs. We can only say so much about a program. It exists; ta dah. The object is not to denigrate the value of the program, but to make each article on Wikipedia (an encyclopedia, not personal cruft site or national yellow pages) better, worthwhile. Again, I know I sound harsh and I apologize in advance, but we really need to pull our proverbial heads out of that deep, dark hole and remember the big picture and the purpose of Wikipedia. Merging will make one article better, rather than have two poor articles. --Storm Rider ^(talk) 07:14, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
• Support. As Dreadstar has found out, this is not a school, but a program. It should be merged with its school district. Do not see sufficient notability for its own article. --Fang Aili ^talk 14:23, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
• Support. Per Storm Rider, Fang Aili, and my own comments above. I think it is a disservice to both the Vistas Program and the Klein ISD articles to keep them separate; as well as being a disservice to the quality of Wikipedia. "Surviving" the AfD is irrelevant in this case, especially considering the underlying misperception that this was an actual school. A mistake which is still evident by some of the comments above. – Dreadstar † 18:11, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
• Support the merge I think it is more appropriate to mention the program in the main district per all comments above. The schools that have the program can also have some info about it.--JForget 18:41, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
• Update I received an email today from Peggy Ekster, she supports a stronger article that combines the two: merging Vistas HS Program into the Klein ISD article. Are any of the 'oppose' editors swayed by the opinion of the Director of the Vistas High School Program? If not, I believe more eyes need to be brought in, and an RfC may do just that. Dreadstar † 19:31, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

• We do not allow our articles to be influenced by the subject and we should not start now. As I have explained, in my view there are good reason for keeping a separate article. However, we should conclude this matter here. We have now had two lengthy discussions and a third would mean that it is starting to be disproportionately wasteful of time. TerriersFan 01:48, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

• Oppose view. The article seems fine to me. Why complicate things when we have an article that is expandable? Sure it can be merged but so can most things. What is pivotal is that merging makes it a local issue whereas, if successful, this could become a national approach. Bridgeplayer 22:05, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
• These articles have been hanging around now for weeks with merge tags on them and no sign of a consensus to a merge, I am removing the tags for the time being. TerriersFan 16:27, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Removal of Error in Krimmel Intermediate section

It is the first school in Klein ISD to distribute Tablet PC's (Compaq TC4400) to the students.

This is not the case, the tablet PCs were successfully implemented at Vistas High School Program before being rolled out at Krimmel. I propose the removal of this statement, or at least a rewording to remove the "first school" reference. Also, for the sake of completeness, I would suggest adding the HP brand name to the tablet PC model number. --Grilor (talk) 01:58, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, it's technically correct since the Vistas High School Program is not a school; Vistas has some attributes of a school but the students still belong to their parent school while working on the program. TerriersFan (talk) 02:31, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

I do not want this to be a debate on the definition of Vistas. When standing in the campus and classrooms there is no doubt that you are in a school, in the dictionary definition sense of the word. It seems that there is mixed opinion on the technical definition, however. The Texas Education Agency lists it as a school, Klein ISD refers to it as both a school and a program in various literature, and it is even an entry in this page's List of Schools. Whilst Vistas remains in this list I feel that Krimmel's claim is incorrect, and that the unique nature and contributions of Vistas are not apparent to the casual reader; the campus' pioneering role in Klein's technology plan is a case in point. Perhaps a small section outwith the List of Schools defining the nature of Vistas and linking to the full article would better serve it? I am not championing a merge, nor a superflous entry; I merely feel that the current structure and classifications of this page are not appropriate for something as difficult to explain and categorise as Vistas. --Grilor (talk) 15:41, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

I have changed the name of the section to"List of Campusses"(talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:51, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Other Spanish names

• "42-eval.cain.span.pdf." - Distrito Escolar de Klein
• "Klein ISD Video Library." - Distrito de Klein ISD (in place of English "Klein ISD")

WhisperToMe (talk) 09:46, 1 May 2011 (UTC) WhisperToMe (talk) 09:46, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

List of Schools to List of Campusses and Formating Changes

I am making this easiler to read. In order to do this I am slowly moving information about the campusses in the Klein ISD in a chart. Due to the fact that some of the Schools are more of a program then a school I am also changing the name of the section to List of Campuses

I also rearanged the paragraph about the 2008 Bond and moved it over to the history section. It was formally in the Community section and I felt it fit more with the section I put it in. (talk) nkimpe —Preceding undated comment added 02:01, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

New High School

It has been known for a long while that Klein ISD is planning to build a new High School across from Ulrich Intermediate School. The school has begun preparations for construction. Is this worth mentioning? Рилеы (talk) 23:44, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Hey Рилеы! Welcome to Wikipedia! If you wanted to put that information it, you need a source for that. If you can find a document referencing the high school being built across from Ulrich Intermediate, you're welcome to do so! Cheers! Brandon (MrWooHoo) • Talk to Brandon! 22:33, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Klein Independent School District/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Stedil (talk · contribs) 19:14, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Greetings! I am looking forward to reviewing this article. I happen to be an educator in Montgomery County, so I am somewhat familiar with the district. Stedil (talk) 19:14, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for reviewing, it's been in the queue for a while. I'm actually a high school student in the district - weird how paths meet here on Wikipedia. MrWooHoo (T • C) 19:22, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.	I fixed up a few minor things, but otherwise it is satisfactory. Update: several more issues popped up through the editing process, but I fixed most of them as I reviewed the article.
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.	Lead and layout are looking good. No weasel words. Article is fact based. A little too heavy on lists: see below. Update: The list has been replaced by prose, as requested. If you put the previous list in a separate list article, make sure to link to it at the top of the "schools" section.
2. Verifiable with no original research:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.	There are references. They are listed in an appropriate section following an appropriate format. Update: make sure you double check formatting after adding references. There were a few error messages, which I corrected as I reviewed the article.
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).	Sources are reliable, but most are out of date. For example: info about # of students, TEA rating, bond information, and future schools should be updated to reflect the latest (2016-2017) information. The opening two paragraphs under "History" need to be cited. There is some discrepancy between the number of elementary schools. The lead says 31. The 2015 bond lists the building of "elementary school number 33," and List of Campuses says there are 35. Which is correct? Update: great job providing updated information. Be careful on over-reliance on the district's web page, especially for descriptive sections (see below). Final Update: I went ahead and added a few extra sources in places where available.
	2c. it contains no original research.
	2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.	Covers most of the main aspects about the district. More info about student population/demographics, particularly district growth, would be useful. Also, as discussed below, there should be more focus on the connection between schools (feeder patterns). Also, article needs to address the definitions of each school: according to the district, what is an "elementary" school? What is an "intermediate" school? What is a "high school?" What grades attend each? Finally: how is the district performing? The state of Texas collects a lot of data about student performance. A broad overview of these findings would improve the article. Update: You added a lot of new information to the article accross all the main topics. Nice work!
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).	Summarizes sourced information effectively. First rating: yes. Update: You may have actually gotten a little carried away with adding new information. Some sections are a little repetitive. As mentioned before, a lot of information came from only one main source (the district itself). Diversify sources if possible. If not, summarize and be concise. Final Update: for minor issues, decided to be bold and fix myself. nominator corrected the bond section. Issue has been resolved.
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.	First rating: yes. Update: The problem with relying too much on the district itself for information is that it doesn't come from a neutral point of view. Some slightly promotional language crept into some of the passages describing curriculum, the schools, and other programs offered by the district. I fixed most of these issues as I reviewed, but there are some others that need to be addressed. Final update: language is now neutral throughout the article.
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.
	7. Overall assessment.	The main things to fix are the long list of campuses, updating of sources, and more explanatory information about the schools. Update: original issues were addressed. However, the article became more unfocused as it expanded. This article is getting closer to meeting GA standard. I'll lay out specific points below. Final Update: all concerns have been addressed. Well done!

List of Campuses

Since this is a prose article, the list of campuses is out of place and dwarfs the minimal amount of prose about campuses within the district. I think there are enough individual campuses in the district to warrant this information be placed in a separate list article. Perhaps a "List of campuses in Klein Independent School District" article could be created and the current info in this article transferred there. In addition, the "List of campuses in Klein Independent School District" could be replaced with a prose section detailing some general information about the different campuses in the district, such as feeder patterns, a concise summary of the high school articles within the context of their feeder network, and other pertinent information linking the campuses with each other/describing the relationship between campuses. Stedil (talk) 20:32, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Would something like List of Houston Independent School District schools be a good model in terms of creating the article with the separate list of campuses? Thanks for all the comments so far. MrWooHoo (T • C) 23:39, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Kind of. I actually prefer the table format of the list in this article to the bullet points of the HISD list, as it's easier on the eyes. To start, I think a direct copy/paste of the info in the "List of Campuses" section (with references) would be sufficient for now, with a link to it in this article, particularly for the purposes of improving this article.Stedil (talk) 00:15, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Here's a more comparable example: List of schools of the Hurst-Euless-Bedford Independent School District. The main article and its talk page, Hurst-Euless-Bedford Independent School District, are also worth a look. This is a de-listed good article that it looks like has a team of editors who are working to get it up to GA status, like yours. As far as I know, there aren't any good or featured articles about school districts currently. Stedil (talk) 01:36, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

@Stedil: I removed the table of the list of campuses and added a lot of prose about high school campuses and feeding patterns and such. I think the summary is probably too long - comments would be appreciated. Also, I will be just making the article and adding references with a link to the article. MrWooHoo (T • C) 01:39, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

District information

The state of Texas now compiles a lot of information about districts into one report called the Texas Performance Reporting System (TPRS). The latest report is 2015-2016, which is located Here. I think this report will help eliminate a lot of the outdated information and links in this article. The school district's official website may contain some information (like demographic data) that is more up to date, but TEA is the source for official performance and district profile data. Stedil (talk) 23:53, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Reference update

Here's a list of reference priorities:

• Update number of students enrolled in the district. You can include some of the numbers currently in the article to show change over time. Y I've used a in the infobox for all of the data in the infobox from the 2014 TAPR...is that sufficient or would i need a whole entire section on student growth?
• Update the TEA performance rating in the lead to the most recent evaluation (2015-2016).  Done
• Update the district's progress at completing the 2015 bond initiative.  Done
• Update the progress toward completion of future schools in "Future Schools" section.  Done
• Opening two paragraphs under "History" need to be cited.  Done
• Fix discrepancy in the number of elementary schools, then source where mentioned.  Done

Stedil (talk) 02:18, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Broad Coverage update

Here's a list of priorities under condition 3a, "Broad Coverage":

• Student/population demographics: number of students in the district, change in enrollment over time, racial diversity.  Done
• Feeder patterns: you don't have to go school-by-school (that would be more appropriate in the list article), but explain the method the district uses to place students in schools in general. (i.e. what are "attendance zones" and how are they used?) Are there exceptions where the student attends a different school from the one they are zoned to? If so, what are the exceptions?

 Done

• Related to the above, define the terms, "elementary," "intermediate," and "high school" within the context of this school district. These terms mean different things depending on the district. Which grades attend each?  Done
• Performance results: refer to reference under "District Information," located above.  Done

Stedil (talk) 02:39, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

• Curriculum: explain any district-wide programs or initiatives, particularly those that may be unique to this district.  Done

Stedil (talk) 03:04, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

I"m going out of town on the 6th - i'll try and get as much of this done as possible, but I will not be back by the 19th. As I complete changes, I'll be marking it with  Done. Let me know if anything else comes to mind in order to have this article meet the GA criteria. Thanks for the in-depth review! MrWooHoo (T • C) 03:17, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Sources

Here are some sources you may find useful:

• How Spring ISD and Klein ISD scored in TEA's New A-F rating system.
• Klein ISD plans new $1.5 million agriculture science building.
• Work continues on Klein ISD's newest high school campus.
• Schools continue with technology upgrades.
• What Did Klein School District Spend $100 Million On?

Stedil (talk) 03:19, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Any other concerns?

@Stedil: I've finished all of the critiques you've given above. Let me know how they look. (Also: I found out this would be the second district that would be GA, Briarcliff Manor Union Free School District is the first one) MrWooHoo (T • C) 16:39, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Wow, you've made a lot of changes to the article. However, a few other issues have now appeared that will need to be addressed. I'll update below and in the rating table. Good work so far.Stedil (talk) 04:53, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Bonds

I like the update on information concerning completion of the 2015 bond. However, I think the article provides a little excessive detail regarding the smaller projects in the bond, starting at, "Another project being completed is the new Northcrest Agriculture Facility," and including everything in the final paragraph. It comes across as simply being a list in prose format, with details about bond construction that the average reader won't care about. Here's a sample format: "Other projects currently being completed include: x, y, z, etc." and "Projects awaiting initial construction include: a, b, c, etc." Estimated year of completion may not be necessary on these minor projects. Stedil (talk) 13:44, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

@MrWooHoo:I did some more cleaning in the article that eliminated most of the issues (diversity of sources, neutral tone, article focus) I raised in the updated review. Once the minor details in the bond section are cleaned up, I'll list it as an GA article. To clarify: you don't necessarily need to completely eliminate reference to the minor bond projects, but just condense the information so it can be read more quickly and easily. Stedil (talk) 21:24, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

@Stedil: I will take care of this as soon as I get some time. Thanks so much for doing so many changes (honestly I should've done them myself)..I will take care of that bond issue ASAP. MrWooHoo (T • C) 03:12, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

@Stedil: I cut out a lot of the dates and funding information to try and shorten it and make it a bit more concise. Let me know if it was done well. MrWooHoo (T • C) 03:22, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Current Campuses

If a "List of Klein ISD schools" article is written, then the information about the High schools would be more appropriate in that article. Without it, this information is appropriate for GA standard and should be left as is. Stedil (talk) 21:24, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

I'm writing up a draft for the List of Klein ISD Schools article (located here) and will transfer that information when I move the list article to mainspace. For now, I' mjust going to leave it as is if that's okay with you. MrWooHoo (T • C) 03:13, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Final Update

@MrWooHoo:Great work updating this article. It has been significantly improved as a result of this process. Make sure to check in periodically on the article over time to update information and prevent it from going out of date, especially in regards to the bond progress, building of schools, academic performance, and demographic information. Stedil (talk) 16:20, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Klein ISD Foundation source

• https://www.chron.com/neighborhood/champions-klein/schools/article/Educational-foundation-awards-grants-to-Klein-10853953.php

WhisperToMe (talk) 10:47, 7 June 2019 (UTC)