Talk:Knipton

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When I inserted the section on iron ore quarrying on this page I tried to limit it to quarrying as occurred at Knipton.This is not an article about the iron ore industry in the east Midlands in general but part of an article about the village and parish of Knipton. This is a page about Knipton and I thought it right to invclude something as iron ore was such an important industry there in the past and has contributed to the landscape. "Railfan 23" has descibed my efforts to deal with the northern quarries at Knipton as poorly written and unsourced and implies it is innaccurate. I am sorry that he thinks my writing poor. He has encountered it in the articles about Eaton and also about Scaldwell in Northamptonshire. I am not sure what I can do about that. It certainly wasn't unsourced. My source was Eric Tonks' book which I cited. I have tried to take accurate facts from that source. Raifan 23 thinks the ownership of the quarries important. I am not sure that I agree but I can let that pass. The Waltham Company operated at Eaton from 1885 and later on at Branston but did not begin any quarries at Knipton until 1949.By that time the Great Northern was part of British Railways so my use of that description of ownership is not innaccurate. The date of commencement of the Knipton quarry can clearly be seen from Tonks map at page 93 . My account of where the quarrying took place is accurately taken from that page. It is clear from 110 that the quarrying was done using diesel excavators. Railfan 23 has not included that. From "The tramway was removed...." onwards Railfan 23's version is good. I suggest that this paragraph could now read:

"Quarrying began at High Leys, close to the Belvoir Road in 1949. The quarry closed in 1951, when another opened closer to the village on the east side of the road. That closed in 1955, when quarrying began on the opposite side of the road. Quarrying ceased there altogether in 1958. These quarries and the tramway that served them were in effect extensions of the Waltham Iron Ore Company's operations at Eaton and Branston. Diesel quarrying machines were used. The ore was taken by steam-powered narrow-gauge tramway to a tipping stage at the terminus of British Railway's Eaton branch, for loading into standard-gauge trucks for transport to the ironworks.The tramway was removed in 1959, and most of the remaining rolling stock was scrapped on site in 1960. One locomotive Cambrai was preserved by the Narrow Gauge Railway Museum and is now on loan to the [[[Irchester Narrow Gauge Railway Museum]]."

Spinney Hill (talk) 15:02, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for discussing your concerns instead of just removing my edit. The article is about the village of Knipton, and none of the ironstone quarrying to the north and west of the village is within the village bounds. Perhaps the whole section should be moved into the article on the parish of Belvoir anyway since the quarries are within the parish boundaries? Then you can link from this article with a short sentence to note the importance of ironstone quarrying.

Now I understand your intent, I think your proposed paragraph is good. May I suggest this variant (assuming we don't move it to the parish article):

"Quarrying began at High Leys, close to the Belvoir Road in 1949. The quarry closed in 1951, to be replaced by Granby pit, closer to the village on the east side of the road. Granby closed in 1955, when quarrying began on the opposite side of the road at Harts pit. Quarrying ceased at Harts in 1958. These quarries were served by an extension of the Waltham Iron Ore Tramway that transported ore to to a tipping stage at the terminus of British Railway's Eaton branch. Diesel quarrying machines were used. The tramway was removed in 1959, and most of the remaining rolling stock was scrapped on site in 1960. One locomotive Cambrai was preserved by the Narrow Gauge Railway Museum and is now on loan to the Irchester Narrow Gauge Railway Museum."

Railfan23 (talk) 16:32, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

I have put in the suggested para on the Knipton page and on the Belvoir page I have noted that there are entries re the quarries on the Knipton and Harston pages. I have restiored your reference I am not sure I have done this correctly Spinney Hill (Spinney Hill (talk) 12:48, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

I first became interested in the quarries as a boy when I was on visits to my grandparents who lived at Eaton. I can vaguely the "Waltham" tramway in operation including seeing a loco-probably Nantes or Cambrai. I remember the quarries near to the Stathern Road at Eaton much better and saw P 1952 in operation by the bridge when trucks were being loaded. At that time the "Basic Tramway" was usable still and I was taken to see the Fowler diesel in its shed. I don't remember seeing that working.I was also taken to see the lorries tipping their loads into wagons at Eaton Wharf-there were two tipping docks in operation. Spinney Hill (talk) 13:06, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

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