Talk:Kola nut

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Organizational issues

This article currently deals with three subjects:

• the botanical genus Cola (complete with a taxonomy box).
• the nut or seed pod of that genus, particularly of a few of the over 100 species of that genus.
• the flavor extracted from those seed pods, and beverages containing that flavor

Is the common name of the genus "Kola" or "Kola Nut"? If the former, the article needs to be moved to "Kola" or "Cola (genus)". If the latter, the lede needs to be rewritten. Frappyjohn (talk) 17:50, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

This article currently has one reference in popular culture, however I seem to remember that at least three books by Chinua Achebe have references to Cola Nuts, specifically 'Arrow of God' where the protagonist admonishes his farmer friend for not interrupting his cutting out of potato eyes, to come break a cola nut with him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.180.156.92 (talk) 21:49, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Safety issues

"Kola nuts contain high amounts of N-nitroso compounds which are carcinogenic. In Nigeria, where the chewing of Kola nuts is a common practice, there is a high incidence of oral and gastrointestinal cancer which may be related to this habit."

There is no information given to back up this interesting claim. The statement is "original research" at best, spurious at worst. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.196.53.120 (talk) 03:45, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Tannins?

The article describes tannins in the Kola nut as carcinogenic, but the tannins article describes tannins in food as antioxidants. Why the discrepancy?

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Hey, erm, it says the kola nut has a "high caffeine content" but under Caffeine it says it contains "small amounts". Erowid doesn't mention it at all.

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all I can tell you is that you don't want to eat one of those sections all at once, unless of course you want to be up for the next 24 hours. Taking a piece the size of your little finger to the bottom of your nail would be enough. Eating several pieces that size would make me feel like I had too much strong coffee, too quickly. Seem to remember eating white ones (in Ikot Ekpene), not just a section that had a white covering, as it is described in the picture. Maybe the kola nut has some other drug in it beside caffeine. --Rcollman 20:45, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

There is most likely somethings other than caffeine in the nut. Ive come across an article that shares how the kola nut was used to treat other problems. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3842857/ Erick v1998 (talk) 22:28, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

pure kola

so what's the strongest flavored cola beverage? More cola, less sweet. Mo' bitter, less fizz. Can you get kola extract or buy kola nuts for chewing? I'm not looking for the most caffine, but the strongest kola flavor. It is Mostly found in Africa

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How Much Of A Nut Is The Nut

Hi what i want to know is how much of a nut is the Kola nut? I am allergic to nuts and there is a fat fighting tablet that has kola nut in... so am i allergic to it or not????....... only one way to find out!! (Beca)

I have recently bought some Kola Nut Tea bags,whould this have the same effect as crushed Kola nuts? Richard..London —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.134.26.150 (talk) 20:46, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

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Kola facts

kola nuts r from africa —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.191.93.37 (talk) 03:42, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

There's one product available with Kola nut ingredient, and that is the German Scho-Ka-Kola, only available there. Traditionally, at least since the 1930s, it was in a tin but is now in a plastic wrapper. That would be a good product to grow in the tropical North of Australia, but the coffee industry would lose their caffeine monopoly, so they mightn't like it. 58.174.224.15 (talk) 05:37, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

NPOV

the list of effects sounds boosterish [everything is wonderful]. no mention of the role of caffeine in anxiety disorders? 123.208.88.40 (talk) 13:41, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

I think the best place for the role of caffeine in anxiety disorders is in the "caffeine" article. Otherwise wouldn't we then have to mention the role of caffeine in anxiety disorders in every article of every food that contains caffeine? Caffeine is the pure compound which is connected to the anxiety, whereas the kola nut is just a plant (one of several plants) which contains the compound. If it's caffeine that is ultimately the culprit, then the detailed debate/discussion of its effects should be in the "caffeine" article. Marcipangris (talk) 21:56, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

>fair enough 120.153.174.110 (talk) 07:46, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

"but Coca-Cola still uses kola in its original recipe"

compare with WP:Coca-Cola_formula http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coca-Cola_formula "Some natural colas also include cola nut; Coca-Cola does not, and chemical testing reveals none.[2]" [2] http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2011/05/scienceshot-how-natural-is-your.html?rss=1 "When the team followed the same procedure with a liter of Coca-Cola, which does not claim to use cola nuts in its recipe, they found no protein signature." 124.170.16.62 (talk) 05:00, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Interesting idea to tie in with this topic Erick v1998 (talk) 22:15, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

   A lack of data that would prove a particular question attempting to be answered by scientific investigation *does not* prove the negative (nor does the cited source draw the conclusion that coca cola contains no kola). To draw such conclusion in this WP article violates the no original research policy. Content has been updated accordingly Firejuggler86 (talk) 19:15, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Split out the genus material into Cola (plant). I'll leave it to the editors here to decide on what that material is. You probably don't want me to do that. Also after the move, someone needs to review the inbound links and adjust the ones that are for the genus article. Vegaswikian (talk) 05:26, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Kola nut → Kola (genus) – This should be at Kola (genus) (or Kola (tree)) for obvious reasons raised almost a year ago here. We don't name plant articles after their fruit, leaves, seeds or other parts, and this is overwhelmingly an article about the plant genus (contrast, say, pepita, which is about seeds and their use, not about a genus or species per se). If and when a Kola (gneus) article becomes so long and involved that it needs a separate main article on the uses of its fruit, then it should split, per WP:SUMMARY. We're a long way from that. Relisting. Jenks24 (talk) 13:55, 7 March 2012 (UTC) — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒〈°⌊°〉 Contribs. 18:52, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Support a move to Cola (plant). The genus is spelled with a C not K, as far as I know. And the dab term (genus) isn't always very helpful. Rkitko ^(talk) 03:49, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Support move to Kola tree, Cola (genus) or Cola (plant), in order of (slight) preference. AJSham 11:34, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Kola tree is clearly a minor vernacular name and usually refers to just one or two species. This article is on the genus and should be at the scientific name, which is used much more commonly to refer to the genus as a whole. See WP:FLORA. Rkitko ^(talk) 20:02, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Fair enough; striking that. AJCham 21:15, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Support move to Cola (genus). Prefer it slightly more to Cola (plant) as well. But with redirects from all the aforementioned names of course.-- OBSIDIAN†SOUL 21:10, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Support move to Cola (genus). Cheers Guaráwolf (talk) 13:18, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Oppose move as proposed. Of course the article about the tree should be at a suitable botanic name, but there should also be an article about the kola nut, just as there is one for Walnut. This nut has considerable cultural and social significance in some areas, quite apart from having given rise to half the name of a modern Western synthetic drink. I propose splitting rather than moving the article, partly per WP:CSB. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 01:17, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

• Note: Cola (genus) is not a suitable title as it does not distinguish from Cola (moth).--Melburnian (talk) 02:28, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

• Comment The lead of this article and first section are about the genus and the following 8 sections are generally about the nut. Articles with links to this page are overwhelmingly discussing the nut rather than the genus. I believe that this article should be specifically focussed on the nut, and that the taxobox be removed and a new article on the genus be started at Cola (plant).--Melburnian (talk) 02:28, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
  • Support split as proposed by Melburnian. Quite right on all counts. A reasonable solution and I'd be willing to work on expanding the genus article. Rkitko ^(talk) 03:04, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
  • Comment Are Kola nuts derived from all members of the genus or only some of them? But agree, the current article talks about the nut more than the genus and should be retained mostly as is, with an article on the genus split off instead to Cola (plant). -- OBSIDIAN†SOUL 03:58, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

New academic quality source.

I don't know much about the kola nut but ran across the following source while doing research on another topic ...

• Kola in the History of West Africa by Paul E. Lovejoy

You can read this online for free if you have a JSTOR account. Koala Tea Of Mercy (KTOM's Articulations & Invigilations) 11:08, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

I also found another article which mentions different uses of the kola nut, specifically in medicine. https://www.ajol.info/index.php/ajb/article/view/59797/48073 , i apologize for the link, I'm still trying to figure out how to properly cite things in a more effective manner. Erick v1998 (talk) 02:02, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Slang for nut and common myths.

My edit was removed as disruptive. Including slang of the nut from worlswide cultures is disruptive. Elucidating that kolatin, a chemical included on many websites of respute is actually a catechin-caffeine mix that I can find a source for. This is to promote wikipedia as a greater source of onformation than other websites that describe botanicals. This is utterly absurd to claim as disruptive and actually backwards and make wikipedia a shambles compared fo fhe superior place it could be. Please if another editor will review my edits that have been unfairly removed as disruptive it will be much appreciated. This is a shame to wikipedia and unjust. BrendanKennedy (talk) 23:44, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

BrendanKennedy - English appears to be a difficult language for you to use with grammar appropriate for an encyclopedia (evident by the numerous errors in your statement above), as shown by the illiterate edit here. Your edit was disruptive because each section you edited created language errors. You could have proposed your edit first on this talk page for editorial input, or sought help with your use of English at the Teahouse, WP:TEA. Your edit statement, "The nearby Finland can help “finnish” with some bissy nuts to keep busy or maybe some pepsi or work like the devil with coca cola", confirmed that you were editing either in bad faith or with insufficient language skills. Other points: 1) there appear to be numerous common names for kola nuts used regionally in Africa, according to this source you produced, but none is common in mainstream English sources, so is a WP:UNDUE issue; 2) searching PubMed or Drugs.com for "kolatin" yields no reviews, so there is no WP:SCIRS source to include in the article, and no evidence that Coca-Cola or Pepsi now use kola nuts in manufacturing; 3) the PRC website is dubious as a source, as it appears to not be peer-reviewed or widely cited in scientific literature. I don't think it adds anything significant to the article by being included. Without high-quality reviews or reliable mainstream media, there is no good reason to change the article. --Zefr (talk) 01:04, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

There are no grammar errors at all or can you point them out specifically. Would it not be better for you to mention the grammar error if there are any, than delete the positive useful input I worked hard to improve wikipedia and world understanding of kola nuts with. The part about “finnish” is an obvious play on words used for humour. Your critique is erroneous. Please revert the edits.

Kolatin is referenced to in a ncbi article. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3842857/ The page you posted I have never even seen. This alone approves the fact that kolatin exists but is never described properly which I found a scientific rext that describes it and used the scientific text as a reference. I appear to be talking to a robot. BrendanKennedy (talk) 22:00, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Pardon me *text BrendanKennedy (talk) 22:01, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

https://books.google.com/books?id=piNKAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA300&lpg=PA300&dq=kolatin+fuller+kola+nut&source=bl&ots=Qm7OZoVswk&sig=ACfU3U0seIABQAqXjw3vS00RSR_5_sxN5A&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiy-abs5MzmAhUoU98KHTYMDi0Q6AEwAHoECAQQAQ#v=onepage&q=kolatin%20fuller%20kola%20nut&f=false

This link provides a scientific text with references describing kolatin an a component of kola nut clearly.

I am puzzled by worldwide slang not being appropriate for this site given the different languages the site is available in. Are you an honest farce? BrendanKennedy (talk) 22:13, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

pardon again as* a component. BrendanKennedy (talk) 22:14, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Kola nut ingredient not used.

The sources don’t have references and are only here say. BrendanKennedy (talk) 18:00, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

There are definitely kola nuts used commercially. Coke and pepsi may not use it, but here's one that does: https://www.karmacola.co.nz/our-drinks/karma-cola

The claim that connercial colas don't use kola nut is broad and unfounded. I suggest the claim is removed.115.189.133.135 (talk) 04:46, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

The map

Apparently a joke. No kola nut is grown in Turkey or its surrounding regions. Someone has been having a good laugh. Behemoth21 (talk) 18:01, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: Black Foodways in the United States

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Information Deleted

For my Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, I found a substantial amount of new information on the nut and clarified other pieces of information throughout the article. I noticed that much of my work was deleted just hours after I posted it. The editor wrote that my information was inaccurate and my sources were not reliable, but I primarily used academic authors and trusted health web pages. I wanted to start a discussion to learn more about why my work was deleted because the information that I found is valuable for users to read. Ndtta (talk) 19:13, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Your edit reverted here was a mixture of correct minor facts (WP:UNDUE), outdated content, and misinformation. Healthline and Medical News Today are not reliable WP:MEDRS sources for human health topics. There is no MEDRS evidence that consuming kola nuts affects weight loss, infections, eye disorders, the risk of prostate cancer or other diseases you mentioned. Zefr (talk) 19:41, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

I don't see a need to remove facts just because they are "minor." Additionally, it is normal for information on historical events to be from older sources— I don't think that it is fair to delete information because it is "outdated" when it covers events from a long time ago. The information that was posted from Healthline and Medical News Today is not MEDRS based, but they still provide more context on usage throughout the years. I am not making claims about what the nut does, but simply explaining how it has been used throughout the years. Ndtta (talk) 19:47, 29 April 2023 (UTC)