Talk:Kosovo Protection Corps

On content and Agim Çeku

I edited this article by eliminating the following phrase:

"Also:

• Remove Serbs from Kosovo by force or itimidation."

It hardly seems as an unbiased, accurate comment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Navisliburnia (talk • contribs) 22:40, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

That was the way it worked on the ground. KosMetfan 15:22, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

It is a fact that Agim Ceku is an indicted war criminal. 63.215.27.201 16:27, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

It is a fact that Agim Ceku has not been indicted by the ICTY or by any government other than of Serbia, his political & military foe in the conflict;

It is a fact that the UN administrator as well as governments around the world have accepted Agim Ceku as the Prime Minister of Kosovar & representative of the Kosovars in the final status negotiations.

It is a fact that Serbia is not a civil state and institutions in Serbia are prone to ethnic bias and corruption, as has been demonstrated by the supreme court of Serbia ordering a retrial of those convicted for the Vukovar massacres for the third time - it should be noted the Supreme court bench were Milosevic appointees. iruka 16:44, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

So according to you no one not accused by the ICTY is guilty of any crimes. 209.247.5.196 18:44, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

According to me:

• if a war crimes accusation comes from a politcal/military foe; &
• it is not corroborated by the ICTY or any other international government; &
• if the person is vetted by the UN for the Prime Ministership of Kosovo;

Then the original Serb govt allegation of war crimes is suspect to being politically motivated.

iruka 06:20, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

So if its obvious and corroborated by the facts. Who cares? Facts and reality does not matter compared to the word of the ICTY. The fact is clear that Ceku is war criminal who committed terrible atrocities against Serbs. 63.215.27.201 17:04, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

The fact is the ICTY haven't indicted Ceku b/c he has not committed any crimes.

The fact is Agim Ceku is, in addition to being a astute military commander, is an effective & well respected Prime Minister.

The fact is, Serbia sees the credibility that Agim Ceku brings to an independent Kosovo as a threat to it's goal of hanging on to the province, thus has embarked on a campaign of character assasination. iruka 14:17, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

His crimes against Serbs proves he has no character. KosMetfan 19:43, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I think the strongest evidence that disproves your comment is:

• He has not been indicted by the ICTY;
• His predecessor was indicted by & went to the Hague - proving that Albanian Kosovars were equally accountable to the court in the Hague as the Serbs or any other nation from the former Yugoslavia;
• His nomination and confirmation as PM was accepted by international institutions.

iruka 16:15, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

It would be pointless to indict any more Albanians because Ramush Haradinaj acts like a free man and can engage in politics almost as much as before he was indicted. Western powers have been clear that indicted Albanians who kill and engage in ethnic cleansing against Serbs are fine. That does not mean that they are not guilty. Ceku is especially guilty of crimes against Serbs. While Milosevic was never allowed to leave prison Ramush Haradinaj lives in Kosovo.KosMetfan 21:30, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Milosevic was deemed by the court as a flight risk b/c he did not surrender voluntarily. Ramush did surrender voluntarily. This just reflects the simple mechanics of the bail process - nothing conspiratorial here. iruka 06:07, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

The comments from KosMetfan are so silly that they do not disserve to be taken seriously. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Noah30 (talk • contribs) 08:18, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Update based on MA proposal

I'd suggest adding this sentence: "On February 2, 2007, UN Special Envoy Martti Ahtisaari, in charge of the UN-led Kosovo Future Status Process, presented a draft comprehensive status proposal to Belgrade and Pristina. The proposal included provisions for the disbanding of the KPC. A new, lightly-armed Kosovo Security Force would be established at the same time, with members of the KPC invited to join the new force." Comments? Envoy202 03:08, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

KPC as the Military of Kosovo

GB-UK-BI's edits have added a "military-style" infobox & the "Military of" version of the {{Europe topic}} template, indicating that the KPC is considered the "Military of Kosovo".

However, as (UNMIK/REG/1999/8 (.pdf)) clearly indicate, the Kosovo Protection Corps has been created as a civilian emergency service agency, not a military organization.

• UNMIK at 18 months: Kosovo Protection Corps further clarifies that "the KPC will [e]schew military or law enforcement functions. This means no riot control, counter-terrorism or any other task related to the maintenance of law and order."

• The KFOR Chronicle No. 1/99 (September 27, 1999) page 4: The Kosovo Protection Corps mentions that "[t]he Kosovo Protection Corps will have no role in defense, law enforcement, riot control, internal security or any other task involved in the maintenance of law and order."

• Even the KPC's website, in it's KPC's History and Mission section, mentions no military functions (although it fails to clarify that these are not part of its tasks).

The KPC may be considered the nucleus of a future Army of Kosovo, but this aspiration does not changes the fact that the current KPC cannot be considered the "Military of Kosovo".

When/if the UN proposals calling for the disbanding of the KPC and the establishment of the new and lightly-armed Kosovo Security Force -or anequivalent organization- are carries out, then orginizing that new organization's article as a "Military of" one would probably make sense.

Or when/if UNMIK/REG/1999/8 is amended to include defence & military functions among KPC's tasks... but not yet, not now.

Please, keep in mind that per our verifiability policy "[t]he threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth." To treat the KPC as a military organization we would need to establish that reliable sources define it as one. Otherwise, such content would constitute original research on our part.

Thus, I removed all the "Military of" paraphernalia. Please, do not add it again before we reach a consensus for doing so: let's discuss the issue in this talk page. - Best regards, Ev 00:15, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Brother the information in the box is correct about eh budget and for the leaders of the corps, and its active troops, I think it shoudl stay because it gives valuable information if the Nagorno-Karabakh Defense Army has one why shoulnt the KCP its practically the same thing and both places are in almost identical situations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GB-UK-BI (talk • contribs) 22:45, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

The information has not been lost: the current version of the article mentions the budget, Sylejman Selimi & the number of members. — The comparisons with Nagorno-Karabakh and its army are simply not adequate.

In any case, GB-UK-BI, has been blocked indefinitely as a suspected sock puppet of Gon4z (talk · contribs · block log). - Ev 14:33, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

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Sources

I'd just like to point out that all of the references on this page throw a 404 error or are ridiculously outdated. The article itself is pretty useless now. -BB — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.231.217.107 (talk) 01:49, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

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