Talk:Kristiansand

Dispute

I am a resident of Kristiansand, and was raised in Vennesla, but I have never heard the term "Greater Kristiansand" ("Stor-Kristiansand") used to refer to the municipalities of Kristiansand, Songdalen, Søgne and Vennesla. Therefore, I removed that part. --SAB 19:00, 24 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• • I, too, am a resident of Kristiansand and has heard the term ued many times. Google has 35 hits for the term Therefore, I'm adding that part again. Dubidub 00:33, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • • This is maybe a term used by Kristiansand residents, but residents of the four other municipalities do not recognize this, and will probably feel insulted by being referred to as "part of Kristiansand". Nevertheless, "Greater Kristiansand" is not an official term, and I still think it should be removed. I won't do any edit on this, but other people should state their view here. --SAB 21:07, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)
      • Not from there at all, but can we compromise on referring to a "metropolitan area"? -- Jmabel 01:46, Jul 26, 2004 (UTC)

SAB has now raised this to the level of a dispute. This seems to me to be an extremely trivial matter for a dispute. I have no idea of the facts of the matter and I don't want to waste time on it, so I'm going to suggest that:

1. if someone has a citation for this use within a week we add that citation to the article, and remove the dispute tag.
2. if no one has a citation for this use within a week, we delete the statement.

SAB, is that acceptable to you? Jmabel 17:19, Oct 6, 2004 (UTC)

I do also think this is a trivial matter, but nevertheless I think the information is wrong. I do however find your suggestion acceptable. --SAB 20:59, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I see this dispute is old, but just wanted to add, in case that it means something, that I have lived all my 45 yrs in the municipality, and have heard the term "Stor-Kristiansand"/"Greater Kristiansand" for Kristiansand, Songdalen, Søgne and Vennesla all my life (have lived in several parts of Kristiansand, including in Torridal which is near the border to neighbor municipality Vennesla). There's really nothing new about this term.

At this time (2011), a google search for the term gives 3,580,000 hits, the first ones being:
Article in the newspaper for the area "Fædrelandsvennen"(fvn.no) titled (translated) "50,000 Needs Housing in Greater Kristiansand": http://www.fvn.no/lokalt/kristiansand/article440592.ece
Article on website for a large business real estate company: http://www.naringsmegleren.no/nyhet3.html
Got some hits in phone books etc. too (e.g. businesses using the term, I think)

Bottom line - even if some people may not have heard it (yet), this term is quite well known and often used.

Peapeam (talk) 15:36, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

City rank

Kristiansand is the 5th largest city in Norway. I have checked the refrence at Statistics Norway (...). By going thgroug tables 3 - 23 titled Population, by sex, age and municipality. 1 January 2007, you will se that these are the 6 largest municipalities:

1. Oslo (548 617)
2. Bergen (244 620)
3. Trondheim( 161 730)
4. Stavanger (117 315)
5. Bærum (106 932)
6. Kristiansand (77 840)

Since Bærum is not a city, this makes Kristiansand number 5.

--Dubidub 20:46, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

• But city? Only in Norway would we choose to call a small town of 77000 people a "city"...

There are many cities in the UK, Australia, Canada and especially in the USA with less than 10 000 inhabitants. The traditional British definition is that a city has a cathedral, which Kristiansand has.--195.0.221.197 (talk) 22:38, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

• I would suggest you make it clear that Kristiansand is the 5th largest "city" municipality, then. I have edited the rank to 6th.

62.113.159.156 (talk) 09:56, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

I had trouble finding a city list with ranking of population in Norway at the Statistics Norway (no: Statistisk Sentralbyrå) website, but on no.wikipedia.org, there is an article, and Kristiansand is there still cited as the largest city/municipality in Norway. Numbers are a bit newer than cited above, from October 1, 2007:

1. Oslo (599 230)
2. Bergen (260 392)
3. Trondheim( )
4. Stavanger (126 021)
5. Kristiansand (82 394)

For those interested, Statistics Norway's website, English version, can be found at: http://www.ssb.no/english/ (Norwegian version http://www.ssb.no/ ).

When I just edited the population numbers, I also cited Kristiansand as the 5th largest city/municipality in the country. I also did not touch the term "city", as it in Norway is considered as such (no:storby).

Maybe somebody could help me in adding a reference for Kristiansand being the 5th largest city in Norway ( would have done it myself if I could)? It would be possible to use no.wikipedia.org as the reference? The article is at http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_over_norske_byer_etter_innbyggertall . The numbers of course can be found at the Statistics Norway website, but it seems to me that one then would have to find numbers for all the large cities, then compare to rank them, so if they're to be used as a reference for this, one would have to use just http://www.ssb.no/english/ . Maybe one could add both? The more the better?

Peapeam (talk) 16:36, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Bridges in Kristiansand

I have just added captions and in one case, the image of the New Varodd Bridge in the articles on the two bridges. I see in this article an image of a bridge over a river, while the Varodd bridges are said to be over a fjord. Which is correct? Should this article mention the bridges for E18? Norwegians are in a better position than I am to make the appropriate updates. --DThomsen8 (talk) 14:23, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

The answer to your question "Which is correct?" actually is NONE, since the answer is that BOTH answers are correct!

The two Varodd Bridges (no: "Varoddbroene") passes over a fjord called "Topdalsfjorden" (en: "The Topdal Fjord"). This fjord actually meets a river, "Tovdalselva" (also called "Topdalselva"), a short distance above the bridge, making this area what I think is called a river delta or an Estuary in English (which has brackish water, e.g. at the popular "Hamresanden" beach also mentioned in the article, which is situated at a popular Camping Site not far from the bridge).

The other bridge you ask about, passes over another river, called "Otra". This is a different bridge, or more correct, bridges, since there's actually a pair of bridges passing over "Otra", a short distance from each other (you can see the other one while driving over one of them). The oldest one, lies on Riksvei 471 (Highway 471) and is called "Lundsbroa", (sometimes also called "Gamle Lundsbroa" (The Old Lund Bridge)), which officially is named "Thygesons Minne" (originally "Thygesons Minde" or en: " Thygeson's Memory", since it was built in memory of a previous "Stiftsamtmann" in Vest-Agder County, Nicolai Emanuel de Thygeson or Niels Emanuel de Thygeson, b. 1772 in Denmark - d. 1860 in Switzerland. The "Stiftsamtmann" title has since 1919 been called "Fylkesmann" and the person having this position, is the State's/Country's representative in the county, sort of like an appointed rather than politically elected, Governor of the county). Today's bridge on the site was built in 1938 (the first one was built in 1810, so last year it was 200 years since the first one opened). Lundsbroa connects what I guess you can call downtown Kristiansand (or the city center, "Kvadraturen", specifically "Nedre Ferjested" part of it) with the area called "Lund", through the street called "Dronningensgate", ( "The Queen's Street"). The other bridge in this pair, was originally opened in 1971 and is called "Oddernesbrua" (The Oddernes Bridge", it is also often referred to as "Nye Lundsbroa" ("The New Lund Bridge"). A new version of Oddernesbrua was built in two stages in 1998-2001/2004, when a new E18 through Kristiansand was built). This bridge lies on Europavei 18 (European Route 18/E18). E18 goes all the way from the city Stavanger on Norway's South/West coast to Norway's capitol Oslo in the East before it continues to the border to Sweden. Before the Oddernesbroa was built, all traffic from west to east had to go through Kristiansand's city center which is called "Kvadraturen". The new road instead crosses Kristiansand just North of Kvadraturen, allowing traffic to travel through on the outside of the busy city center.

Sorry for all the brackets/parantheses in the text, hope it does not disturb too much. I hope the above text somehow answers your questions. Which of the two bridges across the river you referred to in your question, I do not know, as I could not find the picture you mentioned in the article at this time. If you have more questions, don't hesitate to ask, I'll try to answer to my best ability.

Peapeam (talk) 03:01, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for all that information about bridges in Kristiansand. I will look for the reason I asked about those bridges tomorrow. Good work on posting a talk page message to let me know about this information. --DThomsen8 (talk) 03:32, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Adding reference for update on population - Please Help

I have just updated the population numbers for the area (they were years old) to the numbers for last month, and wanted to add a reference to verify the numbers, but unfortunately I was not able to figure out how to do it, and don't have the time now to continue trying. So I'm hoping that PLEASE, could somebody else help me out and add the reference for me? It is supposed to be inserted into the text quoted below which is found at the very top of the article (after the population number 82,562, where I have inserted "(REFERENCE HERE)"),: "Kristiansand (help·info)[2] (formerly "Christianssand") is a city, municipality and the county capital of Vest-Agder county in Southern Norway. Kristiansand municipality is the 5th largest in Norway with a population of 82,562 (REFERENCE HERE) as of 1 April 2011. The reference I wanted to be added, is from Statistics Norway (Statistisk Sentralbyrå), their quarterly population statistics overview in ENGLISH, TITLED "Rapidly Heading for 5 Million", at: http://www.ssb.no/english/subjects/02/02/folkendrkv_en/ Same article in Norwegian (NN/Nynorsk), titled: "Med raske skritt mot 5 millionar" is at: http://www.ssb.no/vis/emner/02/02/folkendrkv/art-2011-05-19-01.html

Thanks a lot for your help! :)

Peapeam (talk) 16:06, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

I just added some numbers re. the city ranking in another paragraph here on the discussion page, and since I had also edited the ranking of Kristiansand in my above mentioned ranking, I thought that maybe we should have added a reference for that number as well, so I asked for help re. that there too. Then thought I maybe should add a note about it here too, since it could be done at the same time. So you don't have to scroll up to find it, I'll paste it here too: (Maybe somebody could help me in adding a reference for Kristiansand being the 5th largest city in Norway ( would have done it myself if I could)? It would be possible to use no.wikipedia.org as the reference? The article is at http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_over_norske_byer_etter_innbyggertall . The numbers of course can be found at the Statistics Norway website, but it seems to me that one then would have to find numbers for all the large cities, then compare to rank them, so if they're to be used as a reference for this, one would have to use just http://www.ssb.no/english/ . Maybe one could add both? The more the better?). Note: The article on no.wikipedia.org of course is in Norwegian, but it shouldn't be difficult to figure out the list even for an English language reader... Thanks again!

Peapeam (talk) 16:41, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

climate data

climate data is wrong!

http://www.climatedata.eu/climate.php?loc=noxx0017&lang=en — Preceding unsigned comment added by Torrentuser (talk • contribs) 13:27, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Obvious error

Just wanted to point out an obvious mistake in the introduction: "Kristiansand (..) population of 85,681 as of 1 January 2014. The Kristiansand urban area, entirely located in the municipality, had a population of 154,346 on 1 January 2013"

I'm asked to believe that the urban area had a far greater population in 2013 than the municipality that contains it one year later. Since I know Kristiansand population is increasing, and certainly not collapsing at would have to be the case were the numbers accurate, I can safely conclude this is dead wrong.

It may be as simple as a mistype; it seems just about plausible to me that the correct UA population number should be 54,346. But the fact that a mistake of this magnitude apparently went undetected for as long as it has causes me to seriously doubt the fact-checking standards of WP editors (though I realize it is probably quite variable depending on subject matter). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.203.21.218 (talk) 09:36, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

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Sørlandet - the tall ship

Isn't Kristiansand the homeport of the tall ship Sørlandet (ship)? If so, that should be worth a mention, I should think. --Hordaland (talk) 22:09, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

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Missing citations for boroughs in Kristiansand

The article do not have any verified citations for the table of boroughs in Kristiansand. Please correct.

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