Talk:Kristijonas Donelaitis

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Alumni of University in Russia

I find assigning Donelaitis and other Albertina university alumni's into a category Category:Alumni and faculty of Immanuel Kant State University of Russia rather ridiculuos - Koeningberg Albertinas university isn't the state university of Russia, despite what someone might want to think.--Lokyz 09:43, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Fixed, as there's now Category:Alumni and faculty of University of Königsberg. -- Matthead  Discuß   03:31, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Possible Answer?

On October 19, 2007, the anonymous editor, 81.7.98.250, added the edit summary, how he could be Lithuanian when not lived in Lithuania?(sic), along with his/her edit. Possibly because Rudolf Hess is not considered Egyptian, or "Putzi" Hanfstaengl (whose mother was American) is not considered an American (even though he studied, lived, and worked in the U.S. for a while). Probably poor examples for my point, but probably people that you can relate to. Dr. Dan 15:37, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

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The answer is simple, just distinguish between germanized "Prussian-Lithuanians" and polonised "Russian-Lithuanians". These were the terms used all through the 19th century - and still are by German balticists. Both were culturally distinct Lithuanian ethnic groups as Swiss balticist Max Niedermann points out in 1918: http://forumistorija.net/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=3515&posts=1#M51305 Culturally empty-handed Russian-Lithuanians "discovered" Donelatis only after the First World War and ever since have tried to appropriate Donelatis for themselves. All through the 19th century Donelaitis was regarded as an East-Prussian author of Lithuanian tongue (he also wrote German poems) . On the recommendation of Wilhelm von Humboldt- then Prussian minister of education- Rhesa edited Donelatis' "Metai" for the first time, other editions followed before Russian-Lithuanians had even heard of Donelatis. http://books.google.com/books?id=CfGDwJIXGqAC&pg=PA259&dq=Christian+Donelaitis&lr=&sig=3Z_kT11gbAIIhyz1ORequwpp_sY Russian-Lithuanians today cash in on the fact that East-Prussia has gone and blur this history - just watch the history of reverts here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.156.233.211 (talk) 19:36, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Assuming that there were "Russian Lithuanians" and "Polonized" in 18th century is more than ridiculous. And I still do not get what Russian-Lithuanians (i.e. ethnic Russians, citizens of Lithuania) have to do with this topic.

Furthermore, it seems, that one cannot distinguish even between ages, not to mention, that he does not know how to read provided references. Pleas familiarize yourself with WP:RS and WP:V.

Donelaitis was ethnic Lithuanian and his works are a part of Lithuanian literature. Different cultural background does not make him not Lithuanian, i.e. Lithuanian living in Poland does not cease to be Lithuanian.--Lokyz (talk) 09:30, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

No common history, no common religion, no common state loyalty, no common territory, hundreds of years of separate development ...Well, yes, "Lithuanian", that is the ticket with which you try to grab East-Prussian heritage. It is called cultural or linguistic chauvinism by some. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.156.223.169 (talk) 14:21, 28 May 2008 (UTC) Revisionism by others. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.156.223.169 (talk) 14:24, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

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Why was the link to Wikipedia lemma "Prussian-Lithuanian" removed? Why is Zinkevicius' "History of the Lithuanian language" not regarded as evidence that there were culturally distinct Prussian-Lithuanians? Why does the literature quoted contain such convincing "evidence" as "Albanian Literature, A Short History". Why did Lokyz remove the fact that Donelaitis was bilingual and that he was the pastor of an ethnically mixed German-Lithuanian parish? Why does he wilfully misunderstand the meaning of "Russian-Lithuanian"?

Prussian-Lithuanians vs Russian-Lithuanians

Max Niedermann, Swiss balticist, in 1918:

"As is well-known Prussian-Lithuanians are Protestants. while the overwhelming majority of Russian-Lithuanians are pious Catholics . No noticeable national, cultural or economic ties whatsoever have existed between both so far, except the brisk book smuggling from Prussian Lithuania to Russian Lithuania during the notorious printing ban under Murawlow, which, in fact, was organized primarily by Russian-Lithuanians crossing the border." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.156.223.169 (talk) 12:33, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Alfred Senn: for almost a decade this Swiss was a professor in Lithuania

in "Standard Lithuanian in the Making":

"The language of Prussian-Lithuanian pastor poet Christian Donelaitis .... http://www.jstor.org/pss/3020239 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.156.223.169 (talk) 13:26, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Friedrich Kurschat: a Prussian-Lithuanian, professor of the Lithuanian Seminar of Königsberg University entry in his German-Lithuanian dictionary:

LITTAUER, der: lietuwininkas, bei Memel: buras (Bauer), ein Litauer aus Russisch-Litauen: Zemaitis. ein Littauer aus polnisch Littauen: Gudas See, they even used a name to denote a Lithuanian that today is used for Belo-Russians!

POV

Just one quote from the article to justify POV (but there are many):

"Kristijonas Donelaitis had Latinized his name, calling himself Christian Donalitius. This Renaissance custom seems to be truly appropriate in his case, since he was not only a great poet, but also an individual of wide and complex interests, manifold talents and abilities. In fact, Kristijonas Donelaitis as a person seems to be the farthest echo of the European Renaissance which began in the 14th century Florence and reached this remote outpost of Western Culture only in the 18th century. Like a true "l'uomo universale" Donelaitis was a master of many trades and disciplines. Donelaitis was an accomplished musician. He liked to play the piano, liked to sing, and he composed music to his own verses. --78.59.188.214 (talk) 07:56, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

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