This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Kristoff St. John article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.
While the biographies of living persons policy does not apply directly to the subject of this article, it may contain material that relates to living persons, such as friends and family of persons no longer living, or living persons involved in the subject matter. Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material about living persons must be removed immediately. If such material is re-inserted repeatedly, or if there are other concerns related to this policy, please see this noticeboard.
This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject New York City, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of New York City-related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.New York CityWikipedia:WikiProject New York CityTemplate:WikiProject New York CityNew York City articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject United States, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of topics relating to the United States of America on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the ongoing discussions.
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Veganism and Vegetarianism, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of veganism and vegetarianism on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Veganism and VegetarianismWikipedia:WikiProject Veganism and VegetarianismTemplate:WikiProject Veganism and VegetarianismVeganism and Vegetarianism articles
Yes and no. It is reported as "date body found", yes. But, no, that "found" date does not "stand in" as the DOD. In other words, we would state the date on which the body was found, but also include a short notation to that effect. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 01:50, 5 February 2019 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 5 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion
An IP editor recently pointed out that Marie St. John was Kristoff St. John's step-mother, not his biological mother. For all I can tell there's no secondary source for the biographical information the IP editor provided on the biological mother, but he's right in that Marie is indeed Kristoff's step-mother, compare [1] and [2]. However, the first of those sources also quotes St. John as referring to Marie as "my mom", and sources from the New York Times to Fox News agree in calling her "his mother". Should we note in the article that she's not his biological mother? I do not think that such a clarification improves our readers' understanding of St. John and would thus support staying with calling her "his mother", as we currently do, in line with both the highest-quality secondary sources and, apparently, St. John himself. Huon (talk) 21:21, 4 July 2019 (UTC)Reply
I agree. Your proposal is more aligned with the "self-identification" we require for controversial content such as religion and ethnicity. At the extreme end, as St. John's mother is not independently notable, we could remove mention of her altogether per WP:BLPNAME. Both options, keeping the article as is or removing the name completely, are preferable to shoehorning in poorly sourced information which contradicts the subject's own preference expressed prior to his death. He clearly refers to St. John as his mother in reliable sources, regardless of who birthed him.-- Jezebel's Ponyobons mots21:34, 4 July 2019 (UTC)Reply
