Talk:Kuching Urban Transportation System
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Use of archived links instead of the live versions
edit@Night Lantern:, @Molecule Extraction: Is there any reasons why you are using archived versions of the links instead of the live versions for the references? I don't see any difference between the live source and the archived versions and see no reason to set the dead-url flag to "yes". Unless those sources go dead or have changed that they're no longer relevant to the context, it would be better to use the live versions. I have changed the dead-url flag to no for the links. Feel free to discuss. Fauzi (talk) 11:28, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- @Fauzi: Hello Mr. Fauzi. The reason is unlike other countries source such as BBC News (Britain) or Xinhua News Agency (Mainland China), local press webpage links in Malaysia tends to disappeared quickly. This is caused by the press management who like to modifying their websites alot for no simple reason other than only for "design" that occasionally resulted almost half of the links in a single article to become a dead link. I actually don't care much on this at first as seen from one of my early edit on this article, but after seeing the edit from Molecule Extraction and from an article relating to Malaysia (around two months ago) where only two from half of its citation source can still be accessed.. much worse when the Archive.org doesn't keep any records on the link since no one saving the link at first. Because of this that I decided to copy and archiving every of the links. Some of the Malaysian press that occasionally disappearing are New Straits Times, Free Malaysia Today, The Star, Daily Express, The Borneo Post, Sinar Harian and Berita Harian. I hope that bots like GreenC bot can have the task to automatically saving a link to Archive.org than only rescuing dead link by using the already available links saved by other readers. Night Lanternhalo? 03:55, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
- @Night Lantern: Hi, I understand why you would do that, I guess. I also make the habit of archiving most articles of significant interest, especially if I am sourcing them for Wikipedia. Pages do go missing also because of funding cuts, sites trying to save cost or just rejuvenation and/or hardware/software upgrade, or worse, possible political interference. The good thing about the Wayback Machine Web Archive is that you can take multiple snapshots over time to see if pages have changed significantly. I would keep the dead-url flag as no unless the original has been removed or has become irrelevant to the context. Now you've got me thinking... Do the bots automatically switch the dead-url flag if the original page becomes missing? Hopefully it does, but if not, I hope one of us or some other wiki-editors would just switch the flag when we have to. Fauzi (talk) 10:18, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
- @Fauzi: Yes. I guess that is what occasionally happening to many Malaysian media including the country main press of Bernama. The bots probably start to detect any dead link by changing the "
deadurl=no" or "deadurl=" to "deadurl=yes" with available archive link at the Archive.org or Archive.today when a particular task been started by its owner, just like vandalism removal bot of ClueBot NG and many other bots in this category. As seen from one of the bot modification into an article archive link as seen here, it seems the bot changing the archive type from WebCite into Archive.today as well. Night Lanternhalo? 09:18, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
- @Fauzi: Yes. I guess that is what occasionally happening to many Malaysian media including the country main press of Bernama. The bots probably start to detect any dead link by changing the "
- @Night Lantern: Hi, I understand why you would do that, I guess. I also make the habit of archiving most articles of significant interest, especially if I am sourcing them for Wikipedia. Pages do go missing also because of funding cuts, sites trying to save cost or just rejuvenation and/or hardware/software upgrade, or worse, possible political interference. The good thing about the Wayback Machine Web Archive is that you can take multiple snapshots over time to see if pages have changed significantly. I would keep the dead-url flag as no unless the original has been removed or has become irrelevant to the context. Now you've got me thinking... Do the bots automatically switch the dead-url flag if the original page becomes missing? Hopefully it does, but if not, I hope one of us or some other wiki-editors would just switch the flag when we have to. Fauzi (talk) 10:18, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
@Fauzi, @Night Lantern: Ah, sorry for late joining the discussion since I was busy in the few months. Perhaps Night Lantern already stated the answer above and I do agree Malaysian news outlet url link does not stay too longer in the web (hoping those involved news outlet can maintain a better link if they read our discussion here, hehe). I want to let you two know there is actually specific English Wikipedia bots in here that was created to maintain archive link well. Maybe you guys can ask the bots owner for further question? Molecule Extraction (talk) 07:46, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
Should we move the article?
editSarawak Government has said that rather than an LRT system, this new urban transit system will be an ART system, or Autonomous Rapid Transit. Many news sources and the Sarawak Metro website have confirmed this. Should the article be moved to let's say, Kuching ART? Obviously, an update of this article is also needed.--FikkuFiq 13:59, 6 January 2021 (UTC)