Talk:Kurdistan Workers' Party insurgency/Archive 3

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PKK conflict with other tribes

The PKK has been at conflict with some Kurdish tribes other than Village Guards, notably some landowning tribes like the Süleymanlar during the PKK's early history. Given that this is conflict between Kurds and the article is about the conflict with the Turkish government, to what extent (if any) should information about this be included in the article? Should we include "other Tribes" in the belligerents list (perhaps under "Support" for Turkey)? Soapwort (talk) 13:58, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Tribes can be put under "support" section but it cant be merged with village guards, some Turks also joined village guards. Shadow4dark (talk) 14:04, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi Shadow4dark, I read your source and the quote you provided: "In Iraq as well as Turkey, existing tribes were mobilized, paid and armed, and also some new tribe-like entities were created by the State". What is being described here (in Turkey's case) is the village guard system. Village guards are not an organized force but instead Turkey's system of arming and (sometimes) paying locals. I agree that the village guards should remain under Turkey's forces since they are affiliated with the government. However, the source doesn't mention other tribes fighting that are separate from Turkey's guard system. It seems there are only historical examples such as the Süleymanlar (the only one I can find) prior to the founding of the village guard system in 1985. Soapwort (talk) 14:52, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

We lack sources if we not use pro turkish ones. Maybe we can put that tribes under village guards? You need do ** and put it under village guards. Shadow4dark (talk) 15:08, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

See my latest edit. I've kept it under "other forces" since in many cases these tribes worked alongside the police or military. Soapwort (talk) 16:09, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

References

Move most executions to their own article?

There exists the article List of assassinations of the Kurdish–Turkish conflict. The execution sections of both the Kurdish and the Turkish side is rather large and they could be included in the mentioned article.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 13:15, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

I've noticed there are almost not mentioned any executions in the Turkish section, much less massacres. As to me these sections could be trimmed at the Kurdish side where they are rather elaborate. If no opposition comes, I'll do this in the next day's and add the more or less sourced executions to the article mentioned above. The unsourced massacres with a cn tag since November 2020, I'll remove as well as far I don't find a source for them at the first search. There are quite some.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 00:05, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Iran considered pkk as a terrorist group

Iran consider pkk as terrorist group , iran and surya help kurds against isis , kurds not pkk Alio00ppp7 (talk) 14:32, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 30 November 2021

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The result of the move request was: consensus not to move. —usernamekiran • sign the guestbook • (talk) 06:11, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

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Kurdish–Turkish conflict (1978–present) → Kurdish–Turkish conflict – The proposed title is the clear common name, moreover "Kurdish–Turkish conflict" redirects here. For other uses, see Kurdish–Turkish conflict (disambiguation). Northumber (talk) 10:45, 30 November 2021 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran • sign the guestbook • (talk) 15:48, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Support per nomination. --The Tips of Apmh 14:07, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

oppose with that name you should merge all these conflicts/revolts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Campaignbox_Kurdish_rebellions_in_Turkey İt is only more confusing. You not sure you confusing with this page [[1]]? Shadow4dark (talk) 14:16, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

yes, Kurdish–Turkish conflict can refer to any of Kurdish rebellions in Turkey. It can refer to Beytussebab rebellion or Ararat rebellion etc. But the main meaning is this Kurdish–Turkish conflict (1978–present). This is confirmed by the fact that Kurdish–Turkish conflict request redirects here. Also see searches in the google and google scholar. --Northumber (talk) 14:23, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

• Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 14:51, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

oppose in 1978 a new and ongoing conflict began. But you can create on own article out of the redirect.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 17:58, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose per Paradise Chronicle and Shadow4dark, it's a helpful breakpoint to distinguish the modern conflict, revolving around the PKK, from the earlier rebellions in the 20s/30s. Jr8825 • Talk 16:34, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
• Shadow4dark, Paradise Chronicle, Jr8825 if not move then Kurdish–Turkish conflict (disambiguation) should be moved to Kurdish–Turkish conflict. Because if "Kurdish–Turkish conflict" redirects here, it means that it is main meaning and then this should be title of the article. --Northumber (talk) 16:53, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose and instead write a broad-concept article at "Kurdish–Turkish conflict" that covers the conflicts from 1923 to present. (t · c) buidhe 07:46, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. Perhaps a BCA as suggested, but the proposed new name should not even redirect to this article as it does at present. That name covers more than just the current phase of the conflict. Andrewa (talk) 18:24, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

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definition of 'escalation' after kobani

it has true that things got escalated with kobani but it has peaked during the turkish invasion of syria and now all nearly ended. since 2020, at least for 2 years maybe more, there are not so many clashes with kurds. especially inside turkey. so can someone edit the infobox accordingly plz. i dunno maybe add "de-escalation after Operation Peace Spring" or "low-level insurgency after Operation Peace Spring" etc to the status part of the box. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.196.85.168 (talk) 14:07, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 6 March 2022

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) ~Styyx^Talk? 17:46, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

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Kurdish–Turkish conflict (1978–present) → Turkey–Kurdistan Workers' Party conflict – This article is about a specific part of the general Kurdish–Turkish conflict, about the conflict between Turkey and Kurdistan Workers' Party. Heanor (talk) 15:18, 6 March 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Natg 19 (talk) 08:11, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

The infobox has more groups then PKK.Shadow4dark (talk) 07:33, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

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Finnish support for the Kurds

The source given in the factbox under "supporters" list a Reuters news article about a Turkish claim of Finnish support. It doesn't constitute a good source, and should be removed or given an "allegedly" / "claimed by Turkey" notice. 188.238.61.218 (talk) 22:10, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Reuters is definitely a reliable reference so "alleged by Turkey" has been added now. --Semsûrî (talk) 22:30, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Edit semi-protected

For the infobox, under "Supported by" for the Turkish side, please add Pakistan. https://www.newindianexpress.com/world/2019/oct/12/pakistan-supports-turkeys-offensive-against-kurdish-forces-in-syria-2046528.amp 2600:100C:A202:871A:4F6:FD13:9359:2A79 (talk) 12:23, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Military support has a particular meaning, and it's always contentious in infoboxes. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:05, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Turkiye/Turkey

The country of Turkey has officially been renamed Turkiye as is recognized by the UN. Would someone who is allowed to correct semi-protected articles please change this? 46.114.32.110 (talk) 13:27, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Not done: see WP:COMMONNAME and related discussions at Talk:Turkey.  // Timothy :: talk  13:34, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Silly error in source?

The following paragraph mentions 5 tourists but details 6 nationalities. I looked at the source reference and it has almost exactly the same text. Is it an error in the source reference itself, or am I misunderstanding the sentence?

In early September 1992, PKK militants kidnapped five tourists, including three Americans, two Austrians and a British, near the town of Karliova, Bingöl Province.

--o_andras (talk) 10:47, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

It's possible one person was a dual national. Though it really seems odd to count the same person twice (as an American and a British, say) in prose. I don't know, hard to tell. Heavy Water (talk • contribs) 21:06, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Title

This wiki page should bare the title "Kurdish-Turckey rebellion" part of the Kurdish-Turckey conflict as there is already a Kurdish-Turckey wikipage (obviously!) 67.68.225.132 (talk) 07:40, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

This wiki page should bare the title "Türkiye-PKK comflict". This conflict is neither a rebellion, nor a Kurdish movement. PKK attacked Kurds as much as it attacked Turks. Kurdish villages were raided and local Kurdish militia forces established against the PKK were attacked. Arphenonn (talk) 09:46, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Vandalism

This page keeps getting vandalized by the user named Jalal1229. Can a admin finally take action against him or her? SarajevMoska (talk) 23:16, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Title change

I changed the title from "Kurdish-Turkish conflict (1978-present)" to "Kurdistan Workers' Party insurgency".

• "Kurdish-Turkish conflict (1978-present)" is extremely generic, uncreative, and misunderstood.
• The insurgency is indeed led by PKK and its allied groups, not all of them are Kurdish. And not all Kurdish groups active since 1978 that oppose Turkey are allied with PKK.
• The insurgency is not limited to Turkey nor to Turkish troops themself, on many occasions Anti-PKK Kurdish forces got involved as well as Iraqi forces too.
• In the same manner as the PUK insurgency and Kurdish Hezbollah insurgency, the title should remain "Kurdistan Workers' Party insurgency"

Xaneqînî (talk) 13:00, 5 February 2024 (UTC)