Talk:Kuruluş: Osman season 2

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Character categories

As a compromise on the Nikola/Flatyos debate, I suggest having both as main characters, as well as Dündar, who now seems to be the main traitor, as well as having historical significance around the time the show currently depicts. To accommodate this, maybe downgrade Yavlak Arslan (now good, hasn’t appeared in a couple of episodes) and Savci (not as important as Dündar imo) or Ertugrul (now dead)? Again asking for thoughts from Empire AS and Limorina. IronManCap (talk) 19:20, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

​I think that Ertuğrul, Yavlak and Flatyos should be moved to "Recurring" and Dündar and Nikola should be moved to "Main". I also think Savcı should stay in "Main", doing all this will also mean for major edits on List of Kuruluş: Osman characters. Limorina (talk) 19:27, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

I agree with IronManCap to an extent. Ertuğrul shouldn't be classified as a main character but should be moved to recurring as his role in the series is nearly negligible. Whereas we should move Dundar to the main characters as he has a significant role in the season. Savci seems right in main list. Regarding Flatyos and Nikola, I think that they are present in right place. Thank you. Empire AS ^Talk! 19:33, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Ok, I’ve changed the sections to reflect the consensus here. Empire AS, see edit history. IronManCap (talk) 20:02, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Bamsı and Dumrul

Limorina, do you think that Bamsı could be moved up to the ‘main characters’ section? I know he arrived late in the season, but he does have quite an important role. Or, since he’s rumoured to die soon anyway, do you think we should leave it as it is? Also, do you think Dumrul would count as a ‘supporting character’, given his role? IronManCap (talk) 18:30, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Michelle Tomlinson, feel free to share your thoughts too. IronManCap (talk) 18:38, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

IronManCap, Dumrul can be supporting but Bamsı really shouldn't be main, all he does now is be Cerkutay's adoptive father, he isn't shown for a sizable amount of time either. I doubt Bamsı will die though, it looks like he will do everything the historical Turgut did. Limorina (talk! ◾ contribs) 08:28, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

I’m fairly sure he will die soon, Limorina, it’s being teased in the series, with Cerkutay being tipped as the ‘new Bamsı’, and Nurettin has another series coming up so he will probably leave KO just like Bilgiç left for Ramo. Anyway then, Dumrul should be moved to supporting now then I think. IronManCap (talk) 09:14, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

I think Bamsi is a supporting as he isn't isn't prominent at the moment. However, I think he is more prominent than Boran who is in main. Boran should be moved down. Michelle Tomlinson (talk) 10:26, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

@Michelle Tomlinson:, really? Boran is one of Osman’s two main alps, along with Göktug. Ertuğrul’s main alps in DE were classed as ‘main characters’, apart from Dogan in S3 since he came late and died before the end (sorry if I’ve spoilt anything). I’m curious to know why you think he should be moved down. IronManCap (talk) 11:08, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

@IronManCap, Turgut, Bamsi and Dogan were more prominent than Boran. However, Boran being considered a man doesn't really bother me because he is getting a lot of screentime recently. Michelle Tomlinson (talk) 18:21, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Flatyos and Cerkutay

Limorina and Michelle Tomlinson, I think Flatyos and Cerkutay could be classified as ‘main characters’ here, given that Flatyos has significant storyline with his revenge against Ertuğrul and with Lena, and was formerly in the main section. Cerkutay is also developing significantly as a character, is now effectively one of Osman’s main alps and has a storyline developing with Aygül. Both Flatyos and Cerkutay seem to be more important than, say, Gündüz and Abdurrahman. Any thoughts? IronManCap (talk) 10:53, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

IronManCap, I think the section might get a bit too long, if you want to add one of them (I'd say Cerkutay), then consider removing one of them (Dündar only started being shown more after he wanted to become the Bey). Limorina (talk! ◾ contribs) 10:58, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

I don’t think that section is getting too long, Limorina, most of the previous seasons have 8 in the main section, season 1 of DE even has 9, this only has 7. I’m more concerned that the supporting section here is too long, to be honest. IronManCap (talk) 11:02, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

I do wonder if Savci should be downgraded, however, although I don’t think he needs to be. IronManCap (talk) 11:04, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Main characters are always only around 5 people, that is for nearly every show, the recurring/ supporting (in our case) always have the most and the guests can be a numerous amount. There really shouldn't be more characters in that section. I think that Dündar will die soon, he's only been a traitor for half the season (if not three quarters I guess, the season hasn't even completed), I somehow find Savci more significant, even more after him being injured by Flatyos (links to your point about his rivalry with Savci). Limorina (talk! ◾ contribs) 11:18, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

IronManCap, please only make edits which are discussed on a talk page when everyone agrees. Limorina (talk! ◾ contribs) 12:37, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

I still do think Flatyos, if not Cerkutay, belongs in the main section alongside Nikola, Limorina, but I don’t think Dündar should be moved down. IronManCap (talk) 00:40, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

IronManCap, you need to think about the entire season not just the last few episodes, for the first few ones, Dündar and Cerkutay were just definitely recurring. Later on, we might see Yavlak more and then you may think if he should be moved up. Keep these for now, then when the season ends, we'll consider it. Main characters are usually just 5 or 6 people. Limorina (talk! ◾ contribs) 09:03, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Episode titles

Limorina, what would you say about providing an English translation for the episode titles for the seasons, particularly this season? IronManCap (talk) 19:48, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

IronManCap, I would have said yes but there isn't a "|translated_title" parameter on the episode table template. It won't look good if we put it in the normal title parameter along with the Turkish title and if your talking about replacing them with the English one then that isn't that good because I think we should stick with the original title. Doing all this would be extremely difficult anyway so I'm going to say no. Thanks. Limorina (talk) 20:48, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

IronManCap, do it for DE as well if your going to do this. If not, then I'm going to remove them in 2 days for consistency. Limorina (talk) 10:20, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

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Viewers

Limorina, what source do you use for the number of viewers per episode? IronManCap (talk) 16:55, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

IronManCap, I use ATV mostly but a lot of others too, random websites, I get confused a lot though and a lot are probably incorrect so that's why I don't cite them. Limorina (t • c) 18:37, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

@Limorina: Could you add the viewers info for the last two eps please? I’m currently busy with a particular article. Thanks. IronManCap (talk) 18:43, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Limorina, are you there? If you want, I can do it instead, it’s just you seem familiar with how to get this information. IronManCap (talk) 17:51, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

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