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The phonology of Kwakw'ala is very similar to Abkhaz phonology http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abkhaz_phonology

The consonant inventory and article text disagree on the orthography for glottalized sonorants. We have ˀm etc. in the inventory chart, and mˀ etc. in the text. As far as I know, both preglottalized and postglottalized allomorphs of all of these consonants are attested, so I think either representation is plausible. To make things consistent, I'm going to change the inventory chart to bring it in line with the article text. Jiashudiwanjin (talk) 17:15, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Request for citations or for more information?

Regarding the request for further citations or verification which has been added to this article -- should that really be understood as a request for more information? There are plenty of gaps in this article, and it would be great to get those filled in. However, the amount of cited works seems quite appropriate, with predominant use of the seminal linguistic work on the language (Boas' grammar) supported by other books and articles where relevant. I am curious as to whether people really feel that there are not enough references used in this article, and if so, which other sources should be relied on. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jiashudiwanjin (talk • contribs) 04:18, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

It may just be a request for more inline citations. If nobody minds, I can go through the article and add {{citation needed}} to unsourced statements. — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi]} 08:35, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

That sounds good! Jiashudiwanjin (talk) 17:21, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

move to Kwakiutl?

I understand the attraction of using native names for languages and peoples, especially for ones under effective occupation like the Kwakwaka'wakw. However, there's a reason for our WP:English policy. We don't have primary articles on Deutsch/Deutsche and Zhongguohua/Zhongguoren, but on German language/German people and Chinese language/Chinese people. Similarly, what I think we should have here is Kwakiutl language/Kwakiutl people. Has there been any concerted consensus on abrogating WP:English for Native North American peoples (we don't bother for Meso- or South American), or has this been on a case-by-case basis? Also, is there consensus for the dab "(tribe)" for peoples as opposed to actual tribes or federally recognized entities called "tribes"? It seems a bit odd to be pushing the designation "tribe" for nations at the same time we're pushing for native names rather than English. — kwami (talk) 05:55, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't think the name Kwak'wala is used in deference to that being the native term. Rather, Kwak'wala has become the ordinary English name for the language. It certainly has become the standard term to use in linguistics. It's also the only term for the language used (when speaking in English) by all Kwakwaka'wakw people that I know. I'm not sure how to document that fact in a Wiki-appropriate way. A Google scholar search for articles since 1991 (not the best way, but something) shows a number of hits for "Kwak'wala", all or almost all relating to the language. Searching for "Kwakiutl" shows 10x as many hits, but these seem to be mostly 1. Older articles mentioned in bibliographies; or 2. Ethnological/anthropological works referring to the people rather than the language.

As for the question about the use of the term "(tribe)" in this case, I have no opinion on that subject because I don't know enough about the wiki standard or the preferences of the Kwakwaka'wakw. Jiashudiwanjin (talk) 13:44, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

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