Talk:Kypuche

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Requested move 20 November 2023

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 19:01, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

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Artemivsk, Luhansk Oblast → Kypuche – There aren't any sources that still call it Artemivsk. In raw Google Web Search, it seems that Kypuche (46,700) is used more commonly than Artemivsk (700-1700), and pretty much all of the Artemivsk sources are referring to Bakhmut anyway, despite my attempts to filter those out. Searching on Google News, there were zero Kypuche results, and for Artemivsk and its variations I believe every single result is still about Bakhmut. I don't think this settlement has had any real coverage in Anglophone sources under the name "Artemivsk", before or after 2016. On the other hand, there are a couple sources that do mention it as Kypuche. The OSCE [1] and the Internet Encyclopedia of Ukraine [2] do call it Kypuche. I think if there's a WP:COMMONNAME here - which there probably isn't - it's not Artemivsk.

In the absence of a common name, we should use "Kypuche", for several reasons. This would provide WP:NATURAL disambiguation from Bakhmut, which was also formerly known as Artemivsk, it would have WP:CONSISTENCY with other renamed Ukrainian settlements like Bakhmut, and it is the official name given to the settlement by Ukraine, which is internationally recognized as the legitimate government of the town. This also has precedent with recent moves like the one at Talk:Piatypillia, among others. HappyWith (talk) 00:19, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

• Support. Of sources recommended in WP:WIAN:
• GNIS[3] gives name Artemivsk, variant name Artemivs’k. (It also has a location called Stantsiya Kipuchaya [Kypucha Station], variant name Kipuchaga, within the city’s boundaries, which held the name since 1878 (uk)).
• Maps:
  • Google maps gives Artemivs'k.[4]
  • Apple Maps gives Kypuche.[5]

This town’s name history seems to be less well recorded than others’ that were recently moved, in this small number of sources. Nevertheless its name change is evident in at least one reliable source, and there’s no reason to treat any of its historical names as the single most COMMONNAME, and the article should be consistently titled per PLACENAME, MODERNPLACENAME, and UAPLACE.  —Michael Z. 15:09, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

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Russian translation of Kypuche

On the Russian Wikipedia version of this page, it lists the Russian translation of Кипуче as Кипучее. I assume this was a typo with an extra е, since I've never seen a Russian toponym that looks like this, but I may be wrong. If anyone can find some sort of official document in Russian mentioning the new name, it would help make 100% sure. HappyWith (talk) 01:16, 29 November 2023 (UTC)